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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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you know we got an email from one

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listener who complains that chris is

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always heard eating on the air i have to

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tell you i've been working with chris

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now about six years

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i think once or twice he was just in the

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final stages of finishing his breakfast

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but that's about it i mean a guy has to

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eat

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like right now

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he's eating breakfast right now by the

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way and since this person apparently has

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some interest in chris eating and being

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well fed and everything and being

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healthy especially since he had these

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health issues earlier this year right

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now i assure you chris is eating what

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are you having for breakfast um

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breakfast burrito

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a breakfast burger it's really good

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actually i think what they're picking up

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on is my nicotine gum

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sometimes i get nervous and when i start

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chewing my gum and i forget to turn my

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mic off

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i think that's what they're picking up

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on i never eat

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except for today um i never eat during

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the show i think that's a height of

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unprofessionalism but uh

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occasionally uh chewing a piece of my

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nicotine gum yeah i've done that and

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i'll just make sure that my mic is off

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when i'm chewing and and i won't chew

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when it's on how's that you just give me

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something to chew on

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when you hear that little thump by the

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way which we try to edit out on the

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episodes that's him turning off his mic

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he has a little switch on the front of

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his mic

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but apparently the people at blue

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microphones aren't capable of putting in

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a switch there

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that doesn't have an audible impact

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that's how it goes

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you know when i think about all these

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contacts with higher beings who talk

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about peace and love and brotherhood and

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then we have the mass shootings in san

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bernardino california and the previous

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week we had shootings

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over at a planned parenthood

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center in colorado and i think where's

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where's anyone watching all this carnage

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and not doing anything about it

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i don't want to be political on the show

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you just can't take this sitting down i

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was just going to mention that i saw

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online a animated gif of

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you know map the united states

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and in order as the months scroll by

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they would flash

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a red circle where one of these mass

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shootings occurred around the country

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and right now we're

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well ahead

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of the one a day

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believe it or not we're at 355 i think

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mass shootings and we're only

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what about 330 days

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through the year here so or 356 so it'd

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be about 330 something days yeah

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so that's more than one a day

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and i noticed if you if you look at it

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certain areas of the country it it's

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march from west coast to east coast i i

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just found it very compelling i i need

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to look at it a little bit uh you know

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more closely and see if i can slow it

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because they really do flash all these

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um these locations by very quickly so

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it's hard to really you know try to

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ascertain if there is a pattern in there

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and it it did look

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like a pattern to me

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it seemed to be um

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pulsing in a way that uh would indicate

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that there's some some sort of

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patterning in there and i

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you know i mentioned this to gene he

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says oh we got we got to bring that up

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that sounds like a conspiracy theory

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well i don't you know i just happen to

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notice what do you think gene

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that is interesting because remember in

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all these incidents

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actors not acting in concert with one

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another different people having

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different problems and as of the time

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we're recording the show we don't know

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whether san bernardino

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is an incident involving workplace

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violence an act of terrorism or some

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combination of the two and this is one

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of the things that i have beef with with

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the way that the commentators on tv

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address it it has to be either workplace

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violence or an act of terror how about

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both how something in the workplace

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inspired them to perform what would be

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considered a terrorist act

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you know this binary thinking you know

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doesn't work very well

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i'm wondering about all these shooting

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drills that they've been having there

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one a month i think and

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i think at first when when stuff started

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happening people just thought it was

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another drill

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these shooting things uh

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911 happened during drills i mean i

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could go down the list of events that

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have been accompanied by

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a drill for that exact same thing which

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that always seems suspicious to me

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really weird

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really strange and you have to wonder

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whether any of these conspiracy theories

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apply

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and you know that takes us to the fringe

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of what we do here but a pattern a map

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showing a pattern in these events

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is far and above just random crazy

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people doing something

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it is

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crazy people

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but from different places

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different motives

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i don't know

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and if you have a map that could show a

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pattern would that predict the next

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i didn't think about that that's an

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interesting thought

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but in the meantime i'm having a

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breakfast burrito that was left to me by

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aliens

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is that different than having

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a pancake left by

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aliens to some wisconsin farmer

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joe simonton wisconsin farmer back in

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the 50s or 60s e.t lands

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and he sees something being cooked or

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and he says yeah can i have one of those

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thing

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did it look like a spoiled pancake i

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guess e.t likes to eat spoiled pancakes

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and that brings us to our guest this

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week joshua cutchen he's author of a

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book called a trojan feast the food and

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drink offerings of aliens fairies and

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sasquatch

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let me just read what the publisher says

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about it

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you've been warned

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accept food from fairies and you'll

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never escape their realm according to

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european folklore except food from

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sasquatch and you will forever be

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trapped in the spirit world according to

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indigenous north american tales

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and today abductees at least those who

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have returned

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often report being offered strange

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are these similarities mere coincidence

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or is something more

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hmm i don't know but with joe simonton

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though it doesn't seem that he was in

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to the aliens or whatever they were he

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now you'll notice i'm not saying that

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joe simmington had 15 minutes of fame

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because i don't think he was famous long

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enough for that to have occurred i think

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he's pretty much a relic in the history

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of the ufo field pretty much a curiosity

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and we've had a few over the years but

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you know when our guest comes on maybe

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he'll find them more significant

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well i seem to remember that he uh

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described the taste as being like

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somewhat like sawdust and cardboard

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like what sawdust and cardboard

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that doesn't sound very good

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isn't that pancake still around i think

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it's in like some collection or museum

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we'll have to ask joshua about that

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yeah that would be really fascinating i

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think it's still around it's probably

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pretty stale by now

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well i suppose if you can did it would

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be all right right

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how about canned pancake

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and alien pancake

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i don't know i think i'm gonna have to

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pass on that one gene well i think my

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alien breakfast burrito um

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aliens have visited mexico so

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that was very good

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okay so you've just eaten

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an alien food stuff

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and does that mean that something

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weird's gonna happen to you

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well yeah i'm on the show with you i

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think that that rates

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well that's true but then i'm on the

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show with you

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yeah

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we're talking about

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foodstuffs from the aliens sasquatch

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fairies the gods

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our guest is joshua cutchen and he's

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author of a fascinating book called

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a trojan feast the food and drink

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offerings of aliens fairies and

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sasquatch

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now in our little conversation had this

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interview i said okay joshua tell me

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where you're from

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and it's a town called

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dakula tequila georgia it's about uh

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halfway between athens and atlanta for

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anybody in this region well i recall

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being halfway when i lived in alabama

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i was in a town halfway between

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birmingham and atlanta

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really uh what whereabouts like piedmont

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okay you know what that is

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uh i have some vague sense my wife's uh

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grandmother actually lives in opa-leica

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so we spend some time in alabama from

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time to time yes i know where that is

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unfortunately the radio station there

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and still in existence is wpid the first

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radio station i worked at back in the

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late 1960s

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and i worked there for about three or

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four months and then the new manager

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decided to hire his nephew and he said

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okay this is your last day you don't

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give me notice

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well no

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i'm hiring my nephew anything wrong with

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my work no i'm just hiring my nephew

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wpid we used to say it stands for well

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piedmont is dead just some good

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old-fashioned nepotism i suppose yes i

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don't think he lasted too long at that

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job because a year or two later i was

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passing by

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and i stopped at the station

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because i saw the pickup truck or

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whatever vehicle he was driving of the

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owner

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and i said hi there he said well you

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know i'm kind of sorry we had to let you

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go there but i let the

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manager i hired go also so you know

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maybe that was poetic justice you know

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whenever we talk about alien or

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foodstuffs from

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strange creatures i think of this silly

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episode

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many years ago involving a farmer from

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was it eagle river wisconsin or

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something else

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i still remember at my age joe simonton

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who received what we call pancakes

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from e.t

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what can you say about that one before

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we really jump into it with full diving

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suits

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yeah well it's it's it's really the

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poster child for this whole uh phenomena

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in a nutshell and why it applies to the

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modern ufo phenomena um simonton was

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in this house in the morning of april

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18th 1961 and he heard this strange

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sound that sounded like radials on wet

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pavement from coming from outside and he

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looks into his yard and sitting there is

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this bowl-shaped craft like two two

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inverted bowls put together real shiny

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and uh inside are three individuals that

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he said looked like dark-skinned

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italians as it were each about five feet

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tall

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dressed in dark outfits and some

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knitted headgear and one of them holds

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aloft this this this jug and obviously

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gestures for water so simonton being

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this good wisconsin farmer goes and

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fetches some water from inside the house

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and brings it back out at this point

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simonton notices that one of the other

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pilots of this craft is frying food on

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quote unquote some sort of flameless

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griddle

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he sees that they look like some sort of

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small round pancake sometimes you'll

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hear them alternately described as

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cookies but they have all these holes in

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them in this real bizarre fashion and

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apparently these entities noted that

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simon was taking an interest in this and

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uh gave him uh four of these actually uh

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he kept one

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he gave one to a local judge he gave one

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to jaylen heineck and he gave one to

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nightcap analysis was done said it was

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all mundane ingredients

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hydrogenated oil and buckwheat you'll

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hear some rumors from time to time about

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there being unknown grains in the

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pancake i've never found any real

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any real uh substantiation to that rumor

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in tying in with my interests and how

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alien activity uh ties in with uh fairy

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phenomena there were

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a race of uh fairies in uh the

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netherlands who would uh actually give

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the

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little connections that are really

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really interesting and compelling

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now what is your take on this obviously

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the pancakes were conventional is this

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something he made up himself to get some

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fame and fortune what oh well you know

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it's

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only case that we have where we actually

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have something

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one of these foodstuffs

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returned that is actually you know a

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physical object

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which doesn't really seem to jive with

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what i have seen from

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this aspect of the phenomena as a whole

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you know

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the conventional explanation was that

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simonton made the pancakes himself and

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was daydreaming and i really don't buy

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that i think what is more interesting to

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me

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is the fact that

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there are these physical pancakes which

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he said that tasted

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awful and it's interesting if you look

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at the fairy lore

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fairies would often

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cloak detritus leaves twigs branches etc

518
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in glamour to appear appealing but in

519
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reality it was just you know stuff that

520
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you'd find on the forest floor that you

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wouldn't want to eat it also ties into

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what fairies would eat they would

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actually not eat actual food they would

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only deprive food of its essence or

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feusan

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and uh the food that you would eat if it

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had been deprived of its essence would

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be unfit for human consumption so

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there's an interesting little parallel

530
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there too

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part of me believes that you know part

532
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of part of me believes that this was

533
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almost like a shell or a vehicle for

534
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simon to experience something else

535
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having said that i don't know why we

536
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don't have more physical evidence than

537
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other such cases

538
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that is so peculiar now whatever

539
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happened to simonton i know he was

540
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interviewed on radio and tv i even heard

541
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him

542
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shows you how old i am but i was really

543
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young then i heard him on the long john

544
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nebbel radio show and he sounded like

545
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what you expect the wisconsin farmer to

546
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sound like you know regular normal guy

547
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yeah by all accounts i believe that he

548
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just lived a relative relatively calm

549
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life for the rest of his life i know

550
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there's been some interest in possibly

551
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putting together a documentary around

552
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this case um but i haven't heard any new

553
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uh new emotion on that front

554
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so looking at history here

555
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and we're talking about encountering

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strange beings or creatures

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and being offered or

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choosing to partake of foodstuffs of one

559
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sort or another where did your research

560
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,760
begin what attracted you to this well

561
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you know i've always been interested in

562
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these sort of subjects but

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my my real interest has always been and

564
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this one aspect that no one ever seemed

565
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to talk about which was the food taboo

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in fairylord uh if you were to be given

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food by a fairy if you were walking down

568
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a country lane and they offered you

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something to eat or drink and you took

570
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it and you ate or drank with it you had

571
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to go with them and beast and be stuck

572
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forever

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i always saw certain parallels between

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that and a lot of abduction cases

575
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and even contact tea cases as well where

576
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people are given foodstuffs to eat and

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drink

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the reason that i saw that as being a

579
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parallel is because you know these are

580
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relatively short interactions it doesn't

581
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seem like this would be given for any

582
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sort of sustenance it has to be given to

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administer some sort of effect

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i wasn't sure how deep the connection

585
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was though until i was reading j robert

586
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alley's raincoat sasquatch which is a

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great book it talks about sasquatch

588
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sightings

589
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along the upper pacific northwest

590
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stretching through alaska

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and at one point he mentions that uh

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some of the tribes in

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in upper upper canada and the alaska

594
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,520
area actually felt that if you were to

595
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take food from a sasquatch you would be

596
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trapped with the sasquatch forever

597
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and that to me was just too tantalizing

598
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,480
of a tidbit to uh to pass up um

599
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anthropologists will tell you that this

600
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entire

601
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myth of being trapped with those that

602
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you eat

603
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is tied to the greek myth of persephone

604
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uh who was the daughter of dimitri

605
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goddess of the grain and hades actually

606
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abducted her to the underworld and was

607
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commanded to release her but tricked her

608
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into eating a cursed pomegranate and

609
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once she had consumed the seed she had

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to stay with hades for her forever let's

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do our break here then we'll go back to

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greek mythology we have joshua cutchen

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talking about a fascinating book which

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is called a trojan feast

726
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the food and drink offerings of aliens

727
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fairies and sasquatch

728
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in attempting to look at the genesis

729
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,840
of this effect we explored greek

730
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mythology joshua you want to go a little

731
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further into that absolutely so you'll

732
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have people citing the persephone myth

733
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,360
is the reason that this widespread

734
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,159
cultural belief exists that to consume

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with the other you will be trapped with

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the other and i buy that for the entire

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eurasian land mass and even possibly

738
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with the idea that some ideas like that

739
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might extend into africa but when you're

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dealing with first nations tribes on the

741
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north american continent and when you're

742
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dealing with similar restrictions that

743
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,840
are placed on people by ayahuasca

744
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,159
shamans i have a hard time believing

745
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,480
that that is some sort of diffusion of

746
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,279
the persephone myth across the ocean so

747
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,200
i i really wanted to look in to see if

748
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,840
there was something else uh to that

749
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,039
particular food taboo and how if any way

750
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,320
it could apply to the abduction

751
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,159
phenomena now of course this is the part

752
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,520
where you have to sort of stop and check

753
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,720
yourself

754
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,559
obviously we wouldn't have any

755
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,880
tales about modern abductees taking and

756
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,799
receiving food and coming back if they

757
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,159
never came back

758
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,240
so any other thing here about how many

759
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,240
people who've been abducted

760
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,399
didn't come back now for your reference

761
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,399
last week we had a discussion about

762
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abductions with kathleen martin you know

763
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her yes

764
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okay so

765
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,279
that's the first thing that you raised

766
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,880
there which is of course if they haven't

767
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,480
come back we don't know what happened

768
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,760
but do we have any record of people

769
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disappearing that you might

770
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,880
attribute to possibly it was related to

771
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,480
abductions well you know it's

772
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,679
interesting i think a lot of people

773
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would bring in the work of david politis

774
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even though i don't think he would

775
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,880
necessarily would would be comfortable

776
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,039
standing beside that fact

777
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,600
exactly how about albert osmond albert

778
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,039
osmond yeah i i've actually referred to

779
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david's work as sort of like a

780
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paranormal rorschach test whatever you

781
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,240
want to see you will see in there but

782
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,760
yeah i guess what i was getting at is

783
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,520
that uh you have people who are taken

784
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and who are given food

785
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and who still return so obviously we

786
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,000
have to reinterpret what not being able

787
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,840
to return home means and the way that i

788
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,440
sort of got around to it

789
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,440
in my own head was perhaps that means

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that you'll never be able to

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figuratively return home again your

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world will never be the same after this

793
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,440
particular experience you mentioned

794
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,039
albert osman it's probably the most

795
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,840
famous case of sasquatch abduction osman

796
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,880
was taken in i believe his affidavit was

797
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,360
in 1957 so i think it was sometime in

798
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,440
the 30s that he was actually taken by

799
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,520
sasquatch it's interesting because

800
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,600
finding tales about sasquatch abduction

801
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,000
are kind of hard and finding tales that

802
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,919
are credible or even harder in finding

803
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,360
tales that are credible where they've

804
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,200
been given something to eat her are even

805
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,760
harder than that osman was a prospector

806
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,279
working in british columbia and he was

807
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,080
carried while asleep in a sleeping bag

808
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,880
by some sort of large hairy hominid and

809
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,640
after three hours she was dumped into

810
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,640
this small valley and he was surrounded

811
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,559
by the sasquatch family over the course

812
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,080
of a couple of days you know he had some

813
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,679
of his own provisions but he was also

814
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,919
given some sweet roots that he could

815
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,279
describe them with that they said that

816
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,360
they had a fast a satisfying taste this

817
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,720
is interesting to me because a lot of

818
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,440
the food stuffs that people receive tend

819
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,039
to fall into

820
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,919
sweeter categories it's really difficult

821
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,840
trying to categorize all of this stuff

822
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,440
because sometimes you'll have people

823
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,960
just remember that they ate something or

824
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,039
they drank something or they took my

825
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,640
glass of water and dropped a pill into

826
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,000
it and it changed into something else

827
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,080
well do you classify that as water an

828
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,600
alien drink or an alien pill you know

829
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,360
how do you how do you classify those

830
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,600
overall these sweet roots that osman

831
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,080
tried tend to fit with that particular

832
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,679
flavor profile it's also interesting

833
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,679
that osman was able to escape by using

834
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,640
consumables he actually had the

835
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,159
sasquatch father he tricked it into

836
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,039
eating uh his tobacco snuff that

837
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,000
sasquatch allegedly washed down his

838
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,640
awful meal of snuff with boiling hot

839
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,640
coffee and all the grounds so

840
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,399
it's interesting how the food played a

841
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
role in that particular account now what

842
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,799
i think of here is the possibility here

843
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:28,559
if this is happening

844
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,919
that this food compels you to stay with

845
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,080
your abductors or those with whom you're

846
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,320
in contact is there some kind of poison

847
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:38,880
in there possibly that is affecting you

848
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,080
well i'm looking for a real explanation

849
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,240
in terms of the physical world as

850
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,320
opposed to some spiritual world thing

851
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,080
but of course that may not apply i'm

852
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,919
neither a fan of the objective or the

853
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,240
subjective actually so i don't know if

854
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,799
i'm entirely qualified to answer that i

855
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,440
would think that the sort of conclusions

856
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,440
that i arrived at lead me to believe

857
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,279
that there is some sort of greater

858
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,679
symbolic meaning to this consumption i

859
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,360
don't think it's necessarily

860
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:07,679
an objective poison or like you're

861
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,080
consuming a drink that has

862
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,360
nanotransmitters in it or something i

863
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,559
think more about it possibly being a way

864
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,480
to gain access

865
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,360
to

866
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someone's psyche or

867
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,200
to influence their

868
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,640
world view you know i think of the

869
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,360
prostian effect of of smelling or seeing

870
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,919
or tasting something and recalling past

871
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,919
memories one in my conclusion which is

872
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,039
the only chapter of the book that i

873
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,399
actually present in first person because

874
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,840
i want to make it very clear that i had

875
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,600
my opinions and i had my data which were

876
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,200
very different things the first time i

877
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,519
ever saw planet of the apes was also the

878
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,960
first time that i ever had peanut butter

879
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,919
pie i love peanut butter pie to this day

880
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,559
but i will never forget taking those

881
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,200
bites of peanut butter pie while

882
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,279
charlton heston is standing in front of

883
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,519
dr zeus being interrogated and that's a

884
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:55,279
i was eight years old or something it's

885
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,559
a pretty nihilistic film for an

886
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,399
eight-year-old to this day i get a

887
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,919
little bit of a sinking feeling in my

888
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,760
gut whenever i eat peanut butter pie so

889
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,440
if i was abducted and aliens really

890
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,080
wanted to sell me on a message about an

891
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:08,080
impending apocalypse maybe they would

892
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,519
present me with peanut butter pie and

893
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,159
that would have a similar effect relate

894
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,480
um we're sort of the sum total of our

895
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,960
experience and i think that uh

896
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,480
in terms of the

897
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,320
era in which you grow up in you might

898
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,960
have certain images and certain

899
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,480
aspects of the zeitgeist which are

900
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,320
imprinted upon you so

901
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,440
this is getting back to what we were

902
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,880
talking about before

903
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,039
about if you were abducted they could

904
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,200
probably really do a number on your head

905
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:34,960
if they offered you peanut butter pie

906
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:38,720
how many cases do we have of fey folk um

907
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,559
aliens whatever or whomever offering a

908
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,480
contactee abductee

909
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,840
experiencer

910
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,159
something that they really like and then

911
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,559
that they can identify with it seems to

912
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,799
me that most often what what you

913
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,039
encounter in the literature i'm thinking

914
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,200
you know evan's vice

915
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,279
very faith in the celtic countries uh

916
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,519
other books passage to begonia

917
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,440
passport or passage i forget uh no

918
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,120
valley someone will work

919
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,360
you don't normally equate these

920
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,000
experiences with the the victim or

921
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,919
experience for being offered something

922
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,399
familiar something that they really like

923
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,520
it's interesting um there was an article

924
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,240
posted to the ufo updates by nick pope a

925
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,960
while back back in back in the day where

926
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,320
he mentioned that

927
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,240
that food and drink didn't really seem

928
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,679
to feature that much in abduction

929
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,679
reports and honestly i mean if you if

930
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,119
you look at the way that the phenomena

931
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,520
recontextualizes itself i would argue

932
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,040
that pills and injections are just as

933
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:37,280
much a variation on this food trope as

934
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,399
anything else

935
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,320
um in terms of things being actually

936
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,440
alien

937
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,800
i don't

938
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,320
well let me let me walk this back a

939
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,240
little bit the most common things that

940
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,760
you see offered are liquids and as such

941
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,919
there's a i feel like a wider range for

942
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,760
how they can be identified

943
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,599
um you will have people

944
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,599
sort of graft on comparisons to what

945
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,960
they were

946
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,960
but as far as an actual like literal

947
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,640
comparison that doesn't occur very much

948
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,160
in the in the modern literature you're

949
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,599
very much correct

950
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,200
um in

951
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,960
fairy lore it would be very common to be

952
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,520
given an ale or a wine

953
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,680
which often times being fairy struck

954
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,280
meant having too much alcohol so it

955
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:17,040
seems like it would be a very appealing

956
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,400
thing to someone who likes their drink

957
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,160
to offer them drink hey at least at

958
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,400
least the little guy's party yeah

959
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,599
exactly

960
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,839
um but uh you know it's it's it's

961
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,440
interesting things are much more

962
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,079
recognizable in contact d reports

963
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,079
the the the general manner in which

964
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,920
these food stuffs divide falls upon the

965
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:35,680
abductee and contact you line very

966
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,119
clearly contactees receive good tasting

967
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,119
foods voluntarily and they're usually

968
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,119
recognizable and they're usually you

969
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,640
know they're they're usually you know

970
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,760
you can take it or leave it and they

971
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,800
take it and they eat it and it's the

972
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,079
best thing that they've ever had

973
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,640
abductees are generally forced something

974
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,040
it's generally uh foul tasting either

975
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,880
meaning bitter or you know cloyingly

976
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,960
sweet something along those lines

977
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,880
so yeah in terms of in terms of the

978
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,119
truly unrecognizable you you kind of see

979
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,800
that but you also find these bizarre

980
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,280
cases especially in contact d cases of

981
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,599
um you know being given

982
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,000
in rare cases a stake i think of you

983
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,079
know or for orpheo angelucci's nectar

984
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,520
which he recognizes a drink he just

985
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
didn't recognize it as uh as you know

986
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,240
actually what it really might have been

987
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,800
so yeah in terms of recognizability

988
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,240
that's another reason that it became

989
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,040
kind of difficult uh to put these into

990
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,440
categories i want to ask an interesting

991
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:29,119
question here about whether

992
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,079
these

993
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:32,560
substances assuming they are substances

994
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,440
are designed to put someone in a state

995
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,119
where they imagine

996
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,800
the things that allegedly happened to

997
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listening to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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[Music]

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so watch out if someone offers you a

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drink

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at the bar maybe it's e.t they want to

1113
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steal you but what do you think joshua

1114
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about the possibility here that

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number one assuming it's not a metaphor

1116
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for something else you're being given

1117
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some kind of substance a drink food

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whatever it's designed to put your mind

1119
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in a state where they can control you

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and make you think things happen that

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didn't happen and maybe something else

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happened instead that's definitely along

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the lines of the way that i take it i i

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have no qualms about not being a huge

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fan of the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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because to me it's a very tidy

1127
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,400
explanation for a grossly untidy

1128
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phenomena

1129
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,440
part of that untidiness comes in the

1130
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fact that

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not every encounter involves food and

1132
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drink i've had some people be like

1133
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,040
obviously these entities are giving them

1134
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,560
an entheogen it's putting them in this

1135
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,040
altered state but a not every encounter

1136
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involves that and b the entity would

1137
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,480
have to appear to give you the entheogen

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to make the entity appear so that

1139
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,000
doesn't that doesn't quite wash with me

1140
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um i do think that there is some

1141
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significance to the fact that in a vast

1142
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,839
majority vast majority of these cases

1143
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the offer of food or drink tends to book

1144
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,200
in the encounter encounter it either

1145
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comes at the beginning or at the end and

1146
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it's interesting because there are

1147
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actually quite a

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few a handful of encounters where in

1149
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feylor the consumption of food in the

1150
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,960
fairy realm would actually return you

1151
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,960
to reality there is one legend where a

1152
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,119
young shepherd had joined a fairy ring

1153
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and he was transported to a fairy palace

1154
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and he loved it there everything he

1155
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,240
wished for came true and he was told

1156
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that he could stay as long as he didn't

1157
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sit from the fountain and of course as

1158
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,520
fairytale protagonists do he did and he

1159
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,960
was returned to the real world so it's a

1160
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,520
little inversion on that uh being kept

1161
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,760
in fairyland trope that you do see in a

1162
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,920
lot of abduction encounters i would say

1163
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if i'm going to make up a statistic off

1164
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,760
the top of my head three quarters of

1165
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,000
abduction cases will feature a food

1166
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,599
being administered just before letting

1167
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,359
people out thomas bullard who wrote the

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forward for my book

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actually made a similar observation in

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his uh

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abductions a measure of a mystery which

1172
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is a wonderful wonderful compilation of

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of abduction cases where a lot of times

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some sort of substance would be

1175
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,880
administered almost to force amnesia

1176
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upon the abductee

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let's uh turn the tables here a little

1178
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bit i have a question from harry newton

1179
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who's a long time poster at the paracast

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forums and we have a question thread

1181
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,760
where you can ask questions of our

1182
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,839
guests and he's wondering about the

1183
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other way around the humans offering

1184
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,720
putting up offerings of food to

1185
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paranormal creatures or legends

1186
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and his question goes

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do you think there's any connection

1188
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between the food offered by paranormal

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creatures and beans to people and the

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food that people offer god's spirits or

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paranormal creatures

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for example it is traditional to leave

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food for santa claus and his reindeer

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but i suspect this is based on a far

1195
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,640
more ancient custom i understand in some

1196
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,160
cultures or religions that food is

1197
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divided in a portion offered to the

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spirits or ancestors and in some cases

1199
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,839
people are actually buried with food for

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their journey into the afterlife his

1201
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personal favorite is uh the legend of

1202
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the lambton worm where it is said that

1203
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,079
people filled cattle trots with milk for

1204
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,520
the worm to drink so it wouldn't eat the

1205
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,760
people

1206
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yeah it's it's one of those great things

1207
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about looking into this particular

1208
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,040
subject is because it does open up a lot

1209
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,960
of other avenues to talk about you know

1210
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:38,000
i've had a lot of people who have come

1211
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,119
to me and been like oh you've written

1212
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this food is it about how aliens like

1213
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,480
strawberry ice cream well no it's not

1214
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,920
about that it's about the act of

1215
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,440
offering but having said that i don't

1216
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,440
think that you can talk about the active

1217
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,680
offering of entities to humans without

1218
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,599
talking about the offerings from humans

1219
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,160
to to entities um i think this is all

1220
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,680
very much tied into the similar thing

1221
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,119
you know you have the the irish

1222
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,640
tradition of the sin eater you still

1223
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,280
have the dia de los muertos celebrations

1224
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,440
where individuals offer food to their

1225
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,560
departed ones and the departed actually

1226
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,160
uh consume the essence of the food

1227
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,040
exactly like the fey folk of celtic lore

1228
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and uh leave behind uh the remnants of

1229
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,319
the food

1230
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you know it's it's really interesting

1231
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,480
the vast catalog of fairy entities that

1232
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,160
exist out there not just little winged

1233
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,839
ones but also the you know trolls and

1234
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,240
the more than the nastier type all had

1235
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,839
very specific things that they wanted to

1236
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,160
be left behind and uh you know every

1237
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,720
time they would take this food's essence

1238
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,200
and leave behind the the remnants and of

1239
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,560
course this is a convenient way if

1240
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,560
you're skeptical of saying well that's

1241
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,079
why you know the milk that i left out

1242
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,839
for the fairies is still there what's

1243
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,680
compelling to me is how there are plenty

1244
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,480
of anecdotes about for example cats

1245
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,000
consuming milk that was left out for

1246
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,359
pixies becoming ill afterwards or uh

1247
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,280
animals avoiding the offerings that were

1248
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,280
left out for the fairies which uh to me

1249
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,880
uh calls to mind a lot of your work

1250
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,480
chris with cattle mutilations how

1251
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,720
oftentimes predators will avoid these

1252
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,680
sort of uh tainted offerings exactly

1253
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,319
well i love the ones with the um irish

1254
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,760
housewives

1255
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,520
would be overwhelmed with their daily

1256
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,440
existence and they leave out

1257
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,520
treats and milk for uh the brownies to

1258
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,599
come clean their house for them

1259
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,280
yeah it's interesting sometimes it's

1260
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,720
it's actually helpful and sometimes it's

1261
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,160
almost like protection money you know

1262
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,560
sometimes it's like give us

1263
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:23,040
we'll beat you up yeah exactly well i

1264
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,160
just thought i'd throw that in there

1265
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,000
because there are quite a number of

1266
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,680
ancient traditions

1267
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,440
going all the way back to um you know

1268
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,520
the old kingdom of egypt where where the

1269
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,680
pharaohs would actually be uh you know

1270
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,319
interned with with food and uh of course

1271
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,319
all their slaves would be uh put to

1272
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,560
death and left with them and in this

1273
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,480
whole idea of going

1274
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,640
somewhere else and taking provisions

1275
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,520
with you is a very very ancient custom

1276
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,920
and i agree with you i i it's very

1277
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,280
difficult for me to believe that there

1278
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,200
isn't some sort of connection

1279
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,880
when you're talking about the reverse

1280
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,640
like like we are here about uh you know

1281
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,720
children fees yeah that's that's that's

1282
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,480
where a lot of my interests lie i mean i

1283
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,680
i have friends who are like you don't

1284
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,119
really believe in that do you and of

1285
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,440
course that's such a loaded question

1286
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,359
what i find most fascinating are the

1287
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,680
connective bits and to me

1288
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,359
when you have so many

1289
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,960
bizarre connections it really does

1290
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,960
reinforce the narrative and i would even

1291
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,319
extend this narrative of giving and

1292
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,400
taking to modern sasquatch habituators i

1293
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,880
mean how is that really any different

1294
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,640
the people leaving food out for the

1295
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:24,079
fairies and food out for the pixies you

1296
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,560
know no it's it's about as close closely

1297
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,280
related as you can get and and there are

1298
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,920
quite a number of accounts

1299
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,160
and still to this day you see on the on

1300
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,599
the internet and some of the bigfoot

1301
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,640
shows people leave out candy uh sweet

1302
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,760
sweets for these creatures and allegedly

1303
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,400
uh quite a number of them uh seem to

1304
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,720
enjoy that and that's uh

1305
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,720
you know i had an interesting uh

1306
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,720
story just reminded me uh that my

1307
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,599
grandfather told me from 1918 in hokulea

1308
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,119
washington where

1309
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,359
a woman contacted the sheriff and said

1310
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,440
there's this this silver-haired bigfoot

1311
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,040
that's going through my

1312
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,640
my salted fish

1313
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,599
she had a fish salting operation and the

1314
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,079
thing was in broad daylight it was what

1315
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,079
was turning your barrels over and

1316
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,560
gobbling up these salted fish and uh of

1317
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,160
course the sheriff was summoned and they

1318
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,160
they they chased it away

1319
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:18,480
allegedly i seem to remember something

1320
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,319
about how she had left some out for it

1321
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,760
and then stopped leaving it and that's

1322
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,359
when he came in or

1323
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,000
there was some twist on there where

1324
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,079
it had happened before and she had she

1325
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,880
had left food out and then

1326
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,200
when she stopped doing that or for some

1327
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,760
reason she didn't then it came back

1328
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,839
which i find interesting have you

1329
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,079
encountered stories like that where you

1330
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,119
have someone that that ceases to leave

1331
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,480
offerings or hush money or extortion

1332
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,880
distortion food and then have to deal

1333
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,200
with you know the ramifications of of

1334
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,319
maybe uh angering one of these uh

1335
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,480
fairies or bigfoot or

1336
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,520
name name your creature you know a troll

1337
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,119
yeah i know i i'm really glad that you

1338
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,559
asked that question because i was

1339
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,680
actually going to i was actually going

1340
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,240
to bring that up you know i have to view

1341
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,680
modern habituater reports with a great

1342
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,640
giant

1343
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:14,400
grain of salt pardon the food related

1344
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:15,359
pun

1345
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,400
but i have heard tales of people who

1346
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,319
have you know gotten one of these

1347
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,200
creatures supposedly used to habituation

1348
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,280
and they leave for an extended period of

1349
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,800
time to go to the hospital or something

1350
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,079
and they come back and their livestock

1351
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,440
is slaughtered again apocryphal but

1352
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,520
that's you know very much uh like what

1353
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,040
you'd see in fairy lore i mean if you

1354
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,760
didn't uh there was a brownie who

1355
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:40,160
actually slaughtered a a a bunch of

1356
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,359
livestock

1357
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,000
in the island the island of inch in

1358
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,400
scotland as well um so you'll see you

1359
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,920
know and again it's this interest in our

1360
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,520
livestock that's that's sort of

1361
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,839
interesting but uh yeah and then they're

1362
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,920
not averse to taking i mean you know

1363
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,640
within this uh giving and taking motif

1364
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,119
you also have to talk about about theft

1365
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,880
and uh sometimes

1366
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,680
the fairies would uh

1367
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,200
you know in this idea of taking the

1368
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,720
essence of food they would take you know

1369
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,960
a part of the an internal part of an

1370
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,040
oxen and the oxen would look okay but it

1371
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,240
would have a limp afterwards or

1372
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,920
something there are some tales of things

1373
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,000
like that going on

1374
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,640
and you know you also run into

1375
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,240
tales of

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00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,240
sasquatch especially in south american

1377
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:26,720
plantations uh large hairy hominids

1378
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,920
stealing fruits and stealing foods

1379
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,079
i found a i found a great

1380
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,400
incredibly incredibly apocryphal

1381
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,960
probably not well vetted story uh from

1382
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,880
uh from from russia

1383
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,520
in 1932 about a craft that had landed in

1384
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,920
a potato field and they had these like

1385
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,280
dog-like uh pets that uh really liked

1386
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,079
stealing farmers milks milk and eggs and

1387
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,480
chicken and their geese and uh and they

1388
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,839
would uh you know uh they would uh

1389
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,040
uh take

1390
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,800
they would foul up the livestock feed

1391
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,000
they would mutilate the sheep they would

1392
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,760
take grain and potatoes from the fields

1393
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,440
and they would take a grain off of the

1394
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,440
silo and you know i included that in the

1395
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,520
book because not because it seems it

1396
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,520
sounds especially truthy and i i have

1397
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,240
all my usual uh qualifications around it

1398
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,040
hey buyer beware um but it's interesting

1399
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,359
that even if from a cultural phenomena

1400
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,680
that these similar motifs of these short

1401
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,359
entities coming and stealing from us are

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still you know are still in our popular

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uh still our popular culture let's go

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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we invite the trickster on the show when

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joshua cutchens joining us today please

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just a offhand question joshua yes

1476
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,760
so we have

1477
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,720
for example sasquatch and ufos and

1478
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,520
fairies and all that are we just seeing

1479
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,760
different aspects of the same thing well

1480
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,680
what i've become fond of saying

1481
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,359
is that i am

1482
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,960
extremely interested in where the venn

1483
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,720
diagrams touch

1484
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,160
and i don't know if that means that

1485
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,480
we're seeing a multi-faceted

1486
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,559
aspect of one thing

1487
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,920
or if we are simply seeing

1488
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,839
the way that different phenomena use

1489
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,400
similar methods you know i i do think

1490
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,160
that regardless of what the true

1491
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,000
objective answer is if there is one at

1492
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,040
all i think that we need to see more

1493
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,880
pan-paranormal

1494
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,640
thought go into these subjects not only

1495
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,839
that but i also think that we really

1496
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,000
need to hone our tone down and focus on

1497
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,559
the minutia because again something else

1498
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,480
i'm fond of saying we're missing the

1499
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,000
trees for the forest we're so busy

1500
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,359
trying to find the giant answer that

1501
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,480
we're not looking at these other things

1502
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,160
that might actually lead us in a

1503
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,520
direction that might actually give us

1504
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,839
some more insight very good point and i

1505
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,359
couldn't agree more

1506
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,680
sometimes as they say the answer or the

1507
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,000
devil is in the details and

1508
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,319
i think in this particular realm

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00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,480
i absolutely agree obviously we're doing

1510
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:58,160
we're not doing something correctly

1511
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,280
because we haven't really made much

1512
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,799
headway so i

1513
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,960
i absolutely agree with that here's a

1514
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,640
very interesting question uh from

1515
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:06,640
ravensfee who posted a question at the

1516
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,920
question bank at forum.theparacast.com

1517
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,359
this is something that i've always kind

1518
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,040
of been intrigued by

1519
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,280
and that is european folk tales often

1520
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,000
have plots that turn on food events for

1521
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,920
example goldilocks and porridge hansel

1522
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:21,119
and gretel in the house built of

1523
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,119
gingerbread snow white's apple or even

1524
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,760
genesis in the bible to what extent do

1525
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,440
these fictional stories lay down

1526
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,760
templates for people who report contact

1527
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,480
with other worldly beings and also have

1528
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,400
you look to see how if at all this body

1529
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,760
of work fits with your theories

1530
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,760
regarding the connections between the

1531
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:41,680
satwik diet and offered food and other

1532
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,200
conclusions drawn good question yeah

1533
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,040
let me take a minute to unpack that you

1534
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,680
know it's it's interesting uh in older

1535
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,079
times in the times when fairy tales

1536
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,040
really saw their genesis pardon the pun

1537
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,599
food really was a huge part of life

1538
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,640
because you didn't know where it was

1539
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,400
going to be coming from next and a lot

1540
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,440
of times it would be uh contractually

1541
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,799
given there are you know certain

1542
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,319
hospitality rights in europe that would

1543
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,480
involve the giving of of bread and salt

1544
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,799
as well so it's certainly

1545
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,559
reasonable that fairy tales would

1546
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,839
reflect those particular cultural motifs

1547
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,520
there was one variation of the snow

1548
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,760
white story where she actually exchanged

1549
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,839
she is lost in the forest and she needs

1550
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,760
a meal and she finds the dwarves and she

1551
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,119
agrees to sleep with one of them if they

1552
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,559
give her food

1553
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,319
so i think all of the you're not gonna

1554
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,079
see that one on disney

1555
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,920
no you're not

1556
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,880
um

1557
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,440
so yeah i think that i think that in a

1558
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:38,000
lot of these stories uh the main with

1559
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,119
the exception of the snow-white story

1560
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,400
that i gave you i'm just talking about

1561
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,160
goldilocks and hansel and gretel and

1562
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,359
snow white um i think that a lot of it

1563
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,960
uh really

1564
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,559
is is is

1565
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:51,359
it's about stranger danger it's about uh

1566
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,240
making sure that you uh know from where

1567
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,640
this food comes from and to not be so

1568
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,359
accepting of hospitality to sort of be

1569
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,640
aware it's interesting that hansel and

1570
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,119
gretel came up

1571
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,079
because it was an ancient slav tradition

1572
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,240
where they would actually figuratively

1573
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,880
put a child into an oven uh to bake the

1574
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,079
child they wouldn't really bake the

1575
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,839
child but it would be a symbolic uh sort

1576
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,119
of uh

1577
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,839
liminal transformation into into boyhood

1578
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,440
you know symbolically it's the womb and

1579
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:21,280
it's also being you know the child being

1580
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,559
transformed by the fire and that's

1581
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,760
parallel to the hans and gretel um

1582
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,000
yeah exactly what's interesting to me is

1583
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,000
that if you look at the wave of uh

1584
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,000
humanoid reports that came out after the

1585
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,480
fall of the berlin wall um and the

1586
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,079
collapse of the soviet union a lot of

1587
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,559
these soviet reports include bread

1588
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,640
and i'm thinking about the idea of the

1589
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:43,119
rebirth from the soviet union back into

1590
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,079
russia

1591
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,599
and possibly how that might be a

1592
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,559
cultural manifestation of that um not

1593
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,559
necessarily saying that everybody who

1594
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:52,640
saw entities in that you know 89 90

1595
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,599
period was tapping into some sort of

1596
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,760
collective unconsciousness maybe but

1597
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,520
even if not maybe there was an objective

1598
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:01,359
other intelligence that was using that

1599
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,280
cultural language to impart a special

1600
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,839
meaning upon those encounters

1601
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,799
how about

1602
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,599
the mind-altering substances do we have

1603
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,480
any

1604
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,559
stories or traditions

1605
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:17,040
that involve let's say

1606
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:20,480
some like amanita mushrooms or

1607
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,000
morning glory seeds or natural

1608
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,480
hallucinogens that occur in nature that

1609
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,359
may somehow end up being featured in a

1610
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,599
story i can't think of any from the

1611
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,119
western literature

1612
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,440
i do think there are some from

1613
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,520
the equatorial zones you're speaking

1614
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,400
specifically to to fairy tales or to

1615
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,319
modern accounts or well both in other

1616
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,200
words mind altering food substances or

1617
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,799
liquids

1618
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,720
this type of thing well i mean if you

1619
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,559
could argue that snow white eating an

1620
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,400
apple and being put in the state of

1621
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:54,079
suspended animation was an altered state

1622
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:55,520
of consciousness i guess you could say

1623
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:56,640
that

1624
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,839
terms of actually something along the

1625
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,359
lines of the psychedelic experience not

1626
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,920
really in fairy tales it does occur to a

1627
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,440
certain degree um

1628
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,359
in you know modern accounts i think of

1629
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,880
orpheo angelucci as being a great

1630
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,559
example um some people having thought

1631
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,000
that he was actually slipped a tab of

1632
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:14,319
lsd into his into his drink or something

1633
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:15,359
um

1634
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,280
yeah

1635
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:22,000
the rest of my thoughts on on uh altered

1636
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,520
states and food can be found between

1637
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,000
pages 1 and 259 of my

1638
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,480
my book um you know it's it's the sort

1639
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:30,079
of thing where i don't think you can

1640
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,280
take a step back and be a little bit

1641
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,119
more serious about it in almost every

1642
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,280
one of these the creation myths about

1643
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,760
these entheogens and whatnot it's almost

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01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,920
always bestowed unto the people by a god

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01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:41,760
so in some sense this is

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01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,480
besides joe simonton the only other

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01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,440
type of uh you know non-terrestrial food

1648
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:49,200
stuffs that we can you know actually

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01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,319
study

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01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,599
and i think it's important to look at it

1651
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,799
through that lens and of course they all

1652
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,119
have their certain creation myths um

1653
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,359
yeah the altered state thing is a huge

1654
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,720
part of this book and what i'm looking

1655
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,319
at because there are lots of

1656
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,480
similarities there um yeah yeah you

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01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:03,920
could almost say like you you just

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01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,400
mentioned that every one of these events

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01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,240
could be considered some sort of altered

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01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,400
state because oftentimes there is a

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01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,640
a quality to the experience that is

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01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,559
absolutely foreign and unfamiliar to the

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01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,640
experiencer the air is different this

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01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,400
the light is different uh everything

1665
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,480
seems to be different in many many of

1666
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,160
these accounts i was just going to say

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01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,079
you know and i mean and people have

1668
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,599
these same sort of food offering

1669
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,760
experiences graham hancock had these

1670
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:29,200
experiences where an entity offered him

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01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,000
food

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01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,400
i spoke with a guy who goes to cusco on

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01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,480
a relatively regular basis for ayahuasca

1674
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,559
sessions and he actually um

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01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,200
saw a stairway fall under the ground and

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01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,119
he was he's irish so he said he

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01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,799
described as a leprechaun came up and

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01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,079
said hey how about you come have a drink

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01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,760
with us and he says he was about to

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01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,599
reach the door when his shaman bolts out

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01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,359
of the hut and just is you know he

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01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,520
didn't speak he didn't speak keshwa or

1683
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,119
whatever the the particular shaman was

1684
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,119
speaking but uh the shaman was freaking

1685
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,200
out and started dragging him back as

1686
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,920
soon as that happened um yep

1687
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,920
so yeah you come back from that one

1688
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:03,520
exactly and you know it's interesting

1689
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,400
because

1690
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,880
going back to genesis you see uh

1691
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,440
the food of knowledge you know possibly

1692
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,440
a mushroom and not not necessarily an

1693
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,359
apple not a lot of people don't realize

1694
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,880
that it could in some traditions it's a

1695
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,400
pomegranate in some traditions yes it is

1696
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,960
a mushroom um being you know that being

1697
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,240
brought to someone's attention by a

1698
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:23,200
serpent and what is the governing uh

1699
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,240
goddess of ayahuasca usually depicted as

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01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,680
a serpent

1701
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,160
so you know there it's it's this it's

1702
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:31,680
kind of frustrating writing about these

1703
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,640
topics because you want to have

1704
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,799
footnotes on your footnotes you know

1705
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,400
it's just this web it's just this web

1706
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,720
that you end up uh this web of causation

1707
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,000
that you end up spinning and then

1708
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,680
suddenly you're tangled in it

1709
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,680
what were some of the the major uh

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01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,240
source material that you uh you leaned

1711
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,480
on obviously uh

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01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:53,280
the evans weiss uh book i would imagine

1713
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,240
that's

1714
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,480
almost a bible i think uh

1715
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,480
a bridge between the uh

1716
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,079
the kind of the ancient

1717
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,920
with the modern because of the time

1718
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,400
period in which many of the stories come

1719
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,720
from from the late 1700s all the way

1720
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,280
through the early 1900s no that's that's

1721
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,359
absolutely indispensable um yeah you're

1722
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,520
right you know it's it they came from a

1723
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:14,960
lot of different sources i really

1724
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,319
wrestled with myself um because

1725
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i think of i think of the pericast as as

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01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,240
being think of this right now as almost

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being my doctoral defense right now

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because

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and

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questions are my fire my committee as

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well um you know what we've been called

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a lot of things in 10 years i like that

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one oh i'm gonna write that down and

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which is better than being on the fence

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that's bad really i mean are we really

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asking that tougher questions oh no but

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01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,440
you guys are not ashamed to hold

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people's feet to the fire which needs to

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happen more often so

1849
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:26,960
yeah yeah that's true

1850
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,319
but we're having fun tastes good oh yeah

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01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,159
i just had a breakfast burrito that i

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01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,719
think was uh delivered from the gods or

1853
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,880
some some sort of fairy folk it had a

1854
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,040
weird taste to it i don't think i'm ever

1855
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:40,960
going to go to sonic again watch out for

1856
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:43,359
montezuma's revenge yeah or sonic's

1857
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,719
revenge i guess

1858
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,120
yeah i made the mistake i went to a fast

1859
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,319
food place oh somebody hit me

1860
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,560
oh here's here's another one again we're

1861
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,159
going to turn the tables on the uh the

1862
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:56,880
motif here but this is one that i

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01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:59,600
constantly am reminding people when we

1864
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,880
talk about the

1865
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:02,640
the unexplained livestock death

1866
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,440
phenomenon and the role of blood and i

1867
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:06,400
always

1868
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,359
mention the transmogrification of the

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01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,319
blood into wine into blood and the uh

1870
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,480
the bread into the body of christ in the

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01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,239
in the christian

1872
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,640
mass or the catholic mass

1873
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,480
this is another question from raven's

1874
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,719
feet the the catholic mass has it at its

1875
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,080
heart a food and drink offering which

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01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,679
the faithful believe is a literal

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consumption of the body and blood of

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christ

1879
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,839
can we draw parallels between this

1880
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,520
belief and the reports you've studied

1881
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,279
and do we for example see more food

1882
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,960
offerings in catholic countries or

1883
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,359
amongst those of the catholic faith

1884
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:39,120
absolutely and i wrote that down and i'm

1885
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:40,319
going to return right to it i just don't

1886
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,440
want anybody to think that i'm dodging

1887
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,799
the last question about sources so i'm

1888
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,960
going to get that right out right quick

1889
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,799
so yeah i tried my best i wrestled with

1890
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,640
it for a while as to what to include and

1891
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,480
what not to include where i sort of

1892
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arrived at was when things when the

1893
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,920
trends that i noticed started to become

1894
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,840
predictive i started to worry about that

1895
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,520
less in terms of the veracity of every

1896
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:00,080
report i feel like i share enough dna

1897
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,920
with greg bishop that i kind of am less

1898
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,520
worried about the veracity of every

1899
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,440
single report right rather than

1900
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,199
aggregate in general um having said that

1901
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,159
yes evans wentz was a great resource um

1902
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catherine briggs has done a lot of great

1903
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fairy folk research that was uh very

1904
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,239
german of this obviously the work of

1905
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,560
jacques valet but a great underutilized

1906
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resource that i don't think people pay

1907
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,560
enough attention to is albert rosales um

1908
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humanoid kettlebells humanoid dog yeah

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yeah we've had albert on the show a

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couple of times and sometimes you have

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to go to track down sources and

1912
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sometimes you'll go track down a source

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and it will lead you to a very

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01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,159
disappointing end and you have to toss

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01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,239
that out that's just part of the deal

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he has done a great job of just

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compiling all this so that's a good

1918
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,880
place to start as you go in there some

1919
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,640
of the accounts are just i mean you

1920
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,000
you're sitting there with your mouth

1921
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,000
open scratching your head going

1922
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:48,159
this person could not have possibly

1923
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,600
dreamt

1924
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,440
exactly so anyway that was my oh that

1925
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,159
and also uh thomas bullard's measure of

1926
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,520
mystery which is just you know if you

1927
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,480
want to look at a nice big codex almost

1928
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,080
of of you know where to start with all

1929
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,760
this data that's that's a good place to

1930
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,840
get that i've never read that uh thank

1931
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,760
you for the hint on that when uh

1932
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,080
listeners uh jot that one down thomas

1933
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,000
bullard i think it's out of we should we

1934
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,840
should talk after the show chris about

1935
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,679
some ways that you can find that uh so

1936
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,920
back to this idea of communion and this

1937
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,320
idea of of consuming the body and blood

1938
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:19,600
of christ

1939
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,000
yes it's a hugely important thing uh and

1940
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,520
it's tied into more world traditions

1941
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:24,880
than i think even we realize i mean if

1942
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:27,920
you look at again returning to ayahuasca

1943
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,880
you have

1944
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,640
an entity that is god food and drink and

1945
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,400
you are essentially eating the god which

1946
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,239
is a very old established tradition of

1947
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,520
you know it's tied into this idea that

1948
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,880
if you vanquish your enemies and you eat

1949
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,800
your enemies you'll suddenly be you know

1950
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,560
as powerful as your as your enemies and

1951
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,920
it's it's in a lot of different cultures

1952
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,760
the ancient greeks did it when they ate

1953
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:45,120
a raw bowl that was supposed to be

1954
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,320
dionysus

1955
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,320
the i knew of japan and russia used to

1956
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,120
eat a fatted cub to consume the bear god

1957
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,360
and in indonesia folk i was actually a

1958
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,679
girl who whose body grew into plants

1959
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,280
after she died and those particular

1960
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,600
plants became the island staples so this

1961
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,440
idea of consuming the god is important

1962
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,679
and what i found interesting i don't

1963
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,080
think he's the most credible source but

1964
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,239
john mack did study him are some

1965
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,880
thoughts from kratos mutual credo mutua

1966
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,000
if you don't know anybody in the

1967
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,640
audience was a south african shaman zulu

1968
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,719
mother christian father uh even john

1969
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,480
mack said that you know mutual sort of

1970
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,760
lives in this weird space where he

1971
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,280
doesn't differentiate between the real

1972
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:23,840
and the subject objectives but uh kratom

1973
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,800
mutua claimed to have eaten a piece of

1974
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,040
grey alien that his friend had given him

1975
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,159
and he said that yikes he said that when

1976
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:33,440
he ate it though

1977
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,880
that he uh felt like he had

1978
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,120
consumed some sort of drug and he tasted

1979
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,880
she tasted tastes that hadn't tasted

1980
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,320
before and he saw colors that he hadn't

1981
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,600
seen before and he felt like he was one

1982
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,520
with the universe which is very

1983
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,199
strikingly like a lot of the experiences

1984
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:48,880
that some people experience under a

1985
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:51,920
certain integers so i think that not

1986
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,480
necessarily basing all of my thoughts on

1987
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,560
create a mutual's

1988
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,960
credibility or not but i think this idea

1989
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,560
of eating the god

1990
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,159
is very much tied into this whole

1991
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,880
phenomena where i sort of come to with

1992
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:06,719
it is

1993
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,640
if we are interacting with some sort of

1994
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,280
non-physical intelligence which i'm sort

1995
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,640
of leaning in that direction after

1996
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,159
looking at what i've looked at then

1997
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,920
everything that we quote unquote see is

1998
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,840
actually a part of one medium in other

1999
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,920
words there is no ufo there is no

2000
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,640
jumpsuit on the grey alien there is no

2001
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,560
wand in its hand and there is no drink

2002
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,640
that it's offering you they are all one

2003
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,000
thing and in that sense you are

2004
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:32,800
consuming part of that medium or

2005
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,840
the same

2006
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,840
philosophical underpinnings are there

2007
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:37,600
you are taking all part of that one

2008
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,880
medium into yourself if that makes any

2009
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:43,040
sort of sense at all i try to articulate

2010
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,080
that a little bit more clearly in the

2011
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,320
book now one just to get back to the

2012
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,360
concept of consuming that which you

2013
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:52,080
vanquish to acquire their powers

2014
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,679
is that where we

2015
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,159
have the legends of vampirism and stuff

2016
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,080
like that because you're obviously

2017
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,480
consuming someone's blood as a vampire

2018
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:02,000
you know i think that there is something

2019
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,679
to talk about in there and i think that

2020
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,800
there's uh

2021
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,080
some work you live in a place that

2022
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,640
sounds almost like dracula yeah no it's

2023
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,880
the kula the quila georgia everybody

2024
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,400
down here goes dakula it's actually a

2025
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,239
portmanteau of the cities of decatur in

2026
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,120
atlanta but i don't think it quite works

2027
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,120
yeah it's interesting that was a line of

2028
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,640
thought that i had to make a very

2029
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,199
conscious decision to not uh to not

2030
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,320
pursue

2031
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,760
simply because this was my first book

2032
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,280
and it's a lot of data to get my arms

2033
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,960
around i i tried to find a way to sort

2034
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,159
of wrestle it down to the ground in a

2035
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,320
manageable manner i personally think

2036
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,719
that the ideas of vampirism are probably

2037
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,840
more tied into repressed victorian

2038
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:38,960
sexual

2039
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,679
desires than anything else but again

2040
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,840
there is this idea of the draining of

2041
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:45,600
energy from someone through their blood

2042
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,400
which

2043
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,480
is the same thing that you see in fairy

2044
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,040
lore and actually believe it or not is

2045
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,960
paralleled in a lot of quote unquote

2046
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,880
alien ufo lore

2047
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,679
david jacobs

2048
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:59,040
all right well now of course we're

2049
01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:00,080
hitting

2050
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,679
a sore spot

2051
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,600
yes yes yes

2052
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,960
you might as well because this is the

2053
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,719
power cast and we're not going to censor

2054
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:08,159
you

2055
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,880
while back that uh we could now know

2056
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:13,679
that

2057
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,440
absorbing through their skin and i have

2058
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,880
a i have a lot of problems with the way

2059
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,320
that's stated because i don't think we

2060
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,560
can now know anything about this

2061
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,560
but uh there is a lot of

2062
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,199
parallel quote-unquote research parallel

2063
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:29,040
anecdotes that seem to corroborate that

2064
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,480
this idea that um aliens tend to

2065
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,480
consume through their skin i don't

2066
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,520
necessarily think that that is an

2067
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,480
objective truth but i do find parallels

2068
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,239
between that and the way that the

2069
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,239
fairies would eat their energy the way

2070
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,480
that they would eat their poison um

2071
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,440
robert kirk who chris was another

2072
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,600
good formative

2073
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,760
form formative text for to work with the

2074
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,440
secret commonwealth of elves fawns and

2075
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,719
fairies

2076
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,920
said that

2077
01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,000
fairies would actually absorb this

2078
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,080
foison this energy from other food

2079
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,520
through their skin

2080
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,280
which again is another startling

2081
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,480
parallel between

2082
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,880
fairy lore and modern alien war you know

2083
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:10,880
we have to absorb this first

2084
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,040
we have so much to consume

2085
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:15,360
on the show with gene and chris and

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joshua

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and we'd like you to consume after the

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producer you're listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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oh there's a hidden talent there

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it sounded like the the golem well you

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know what is some people say i have a

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hidden talent too and they'll let me

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gift for gab

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yeah well you're a good broadcaster even

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though um some people might i know what

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your hidden talent is gene your hidden

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talent is to always be able to bring

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something back to supergirl

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that's your hidden sound

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well i will not say like jeb bush said

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that she's hot yeah or any comic book

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character i like comic book characters

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but i like the flash i like arrow yeah

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see emma died in the world marvel zombie

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over here so we probably should

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shouldn't talk about this so you go to

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watch was it jessica jones that new

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superhero show on netflix i haven't had

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a chance yet i've been too darn busy

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yeah i've heard that there is actually

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you know as much as fanboys want to

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project uh comics war on to that i've

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heard that there's actually some

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legitimate animosity especially between

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uh some envy of marvel by warner

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brothers well mostly because marvel has

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had successful movies and warner

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brothers has had trouble

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making franchises work that well other

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than batman and to some degree man of

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steel superman so i don't know we can

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get into a discussion like that

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but then fantastic four the latest

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fantastic four which is a marvel comic

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book character one of the first

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failed and by the way i did have one or

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two conversations early on with stan lee

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really when i was really young

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that's awesome that is

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very awesome

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no jack kirby meetings or notes jack

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kirby meetings not at all that was in

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the early days when i knew people like

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forrest j ackerman we're talking about

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eating alien foodstuffs

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how this gets into comics i have no idea

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it's your superpower

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i could use a superpower i'd like to be

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10 years younger fat would be a

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superpower

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if you

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were allowed by the super power gods and

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they said joshua

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we got a superpower for you

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which one would you take

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well you know the obvious choice is is

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uh invisibility but after the past week

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that i've had i might uh take uh slowing

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chris what kind of superpower would you

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like wow i never really thought about

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that um time travel will be cool

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yeah but i worry with time travel about

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affecting the timelines and all that

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stuff or maybe that's part of it if you

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go back through time to

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deal with the timeline doesn't that

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create something that already happened

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to screw up the timeline we need to get

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micah hanks in here to help us discuss

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all the intricacies and paradoxes of

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time travel

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i'll give him a like michael really

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loves this

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this subject

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i'm gonna have to give him a call i'll

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have to say look we are going to explore

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time travel in fact in the episode of

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arrow green the green arrow this week

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they dealt with time travel

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and changing the future yeah i've been

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watching uh the new uh netflix season of

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continuum

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so i've been

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kind of in this time travel mode here

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the last few days he has a thing for

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rachel nichols

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she's pretty hot

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she's not a bad actress and you know i

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saw it already because it was on sci-fi

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01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,280
channel so i got to see everything i got

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to see how it winds up it's kind of a

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bittersweet ending i won't tell you what

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it was okay you know you watch it it's

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it's a fun show fun show anyway i don't

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know where we're starting this the

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superpower i'd like is to spend my age

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to about what it was 30 years ago and

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keep it that way that would be a good

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superpower there you go that's a great

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superpower

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right

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you know or i could just say shazam

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and become the world's mightiest mortal

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captain marvel

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yeah i always wonder when aladdin rubbed

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the lamp and the genie came out how come

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his first wish wasn't for you know 10

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more wishes

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i don't think that's a wish they can

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grant

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yeah it's in the fine prep oh okay all

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right

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i know

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it's in the fine print on the bottom of

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oh we'll have to ask rosemary that when

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uh when she comes on the next next time

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nice nice well here we go we got some

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other questions that i'd like to fire

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off at you um now that we've

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kind of gotten our superpowers uh

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wrangled and uh

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that would be nice to be able to suspend

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time or

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time related here i guess we're all time

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deficient or uh

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time conscious

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anyway this one comes from wade who's

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been a long long time poster uh here at

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the paracast he's just past the 4000

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postmark

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which uh there's not many folks on the

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forums that have posted over 4 000 times

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and he always asks good questions

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and uh he says in faye folklore it was

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said that if you accepted their food or

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drink it was said to you were doomed to

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stay there forever

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although i'm not sure so sure that that

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was the intent as in the stories i read

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were pretty much they were pretty much

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kept against their will until such time

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that they were no longer needed and

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we've already kind of discussed that a

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little bit but

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he wants to know do you think there is

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any intent to offerings made to humans

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in our realm as per the various accounts

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to him it sort of sounds like a cultural

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imposition that we were put upon them as

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it was expected at the time

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as you don't hear about it much nowadays

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01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:41,600
we've kind of discussed that a little

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bit but um

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01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,400
you know i'd like to

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dig in a little bit deeper with that one

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and then when we're done with that what

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is your take on the supposed henry

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hudson encounter with the pig eyed

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gnomes and the transformation of his men

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after they consume some sort of drink

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and he wonders if you've ever come

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across other accounts with similar

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results multiple group

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accounts are pretty rare

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first of all what do you think of this

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this cultural imposition uh idea

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that wade brings up uh

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you know it's it's almost like you're

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kept against your will already

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so

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why the

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the food and drink link

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to actually

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keep you there for forever or or for an

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01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,560
indeterminate period of time well you

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know i think that it's it's really about

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the the power that that food has over us

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i mean you know that that's one of the

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things that i had to uh do uh

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and to check myself and be like is this

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really something that's that's worth

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talking about but uh psychologists will

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say that

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food is one of the most important things

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01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:44,000
uh bernard lymon said it was the the

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symbol a symbol

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01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,600
symbol of stimulus for pleasant and

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01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,679
unpleasant associations and it was uh

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01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,159
calling forth a ton of diverse uh

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01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:54,800
emotions and and was one of the primary

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01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,840
governing

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attributes of our own psychology so with

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my interest in psychology i can't help

2390
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:01,120
but think that perhaps it's again to

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01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,480
help serve to help draw home a point

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01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:05,920
a little bit better

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01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:08,080
you know at the same time i kind of have

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to

2395
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,480
my head at the idea that this

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01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:13,280
doesn't happen that much

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anymore

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uh because

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it uh it i mean it does it's not a major

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01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,719
motif that you'll find in abduction

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01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,120
reports like bright light in my bedroom

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01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,120
feeling of out of body experience graze

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01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,960
around my bed but i would say that it is

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01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,600
a it is a minor motif and uh it it it's

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01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:31,840
been called out as such in the past

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01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:33,040
i think that

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01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,040
again i think it's the act of offering

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01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,040
it's not like you have these situations

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where people are taken by the other and

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01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,199
they're asked if they're hungry so

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01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:42,719
you'll have people who are taken for

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four hours off of a lonely road

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and taken into a you know a flying

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01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,960
saucer and during that time they're

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01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:50,239
given something to eat or drink they

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01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,520
didn't need something to eat or drink

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01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,120
for sustenance there was some sort of

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01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:55,520
deeper purpose there so

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01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,440
it's more along the lines of saying

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there is a deeper purpose implied by the

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01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,520
fact that it wasn't necessary ergo what

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01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,840
is that deeper purpose was there a

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01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,120
deeper purpose so sort of working

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01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:06,480
backwards from

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01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,280
the

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01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:09,360
fact that it that it does appear and

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trying to see if there was perhaps some

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01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,199
reason for it to appear maybe they're

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01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,840
just polite

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01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,840
southern hospitality there you go

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01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,520
yeah you know it's it's interesting and

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i i

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as i go through as i went through the

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01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:24,880
process of writing this book i was never

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01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,679
i still am not convinced as to a lot of

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01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,840
uh the connections that i've made only

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01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:31,360
just to say that there are connections

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01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:32,960
there um

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01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,320
and uh it's it's it's still a place that

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01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,320
has a lot of mystery for me you know

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01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:40,000
this second uh

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01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,679
part two of the of his question about

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01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:43,280
henry hudson now

2444
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:47,040
i faintly remember some story uh about

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01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:48,400
tammy hudson of course who was the one

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that uh

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01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,400
discovered the new york harbor and when

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he was

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the story you know of how staten island

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got its name is he pointed at the uh the

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what is this about uh jimmy hudson's

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crew i i i don't really recall this and

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yeah it's it's it's a uh it's definitely

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a deep cut that's for sure

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i got another deep cut which is to move

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to the next segment

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with gina and chris you're in the

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paracast

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[Music]

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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listening to the peercast

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[Music]

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01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,320
a new answer had come from joshua

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cutchen on this episode of the power

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cast and rather than just talk about

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01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:20,080
nothing let's hear it now yeah there was

2586
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,480
apparently in like september of 1629

2587
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:26,239
there's some some gnomes that appeared

2588
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:27,600
and were

2589
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,159
drinking and and some sort of magic

2590
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:32,159
liquor i'm actually not too familiar

2591
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:35,280
with the tale myself um i would say that

2592
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:37,600
the transformation

2593
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,040
really implies

2594
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:41,199
sort of some of the ideas that i that i

2595
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,760
really think about is that is that this

2596
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:46,000
idea of consuming food from the other is

2597
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,840
meant to have an effect and it is meant

2598
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,960
to

2599
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,480
transform

2600
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,800
almost a psychological effect upon

2601
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:55,040
the the one who is consuming it

2602
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,639
the thing i wonder about when you say

2603
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:58,719
that is whether they are really

2604
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,679
and truly actually consuming anything or

2605
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:03,440
just imagining they are

2606
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,600
well yeah and and that's i mean you look

2607
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,920
to the amount the the number of cases

2608
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:09,520
that don't have

2609
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,480
trace evidence of food left behind and

2610
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,159
it's it's it's

2611
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,880
it implies that there is something else

2612
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:18,719
going on there and this is more of a way

2613
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:22,320
to gain access uh to

2614
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,679
to the person's inner inner inner self a

2615
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,760
trojan feast you know

2616
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:29,679
um that's sort of where the idea comes

2617
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:30,639
from

2618
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:31,520
yeah

2619
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,400
i like that branding

2620
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,400
i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm not i'm not very

2621
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,159
familiar with the with the henry hudson

2622
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:40,880
case so i apologize for uh

2623
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:43,120
what about other hudson valley cases of

2624
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:45,440
course the hudson valley is uh in my

2625
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,000
estimation one of the more enigmatic

2626
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:50,639
hotspot areas on the east coast uh it

2627
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,400
has a rich tradition of of sightings of

2628
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,159
encounters with uh

2629
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,960
fey folk of course rip van winkle the

2630
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,119
the headless horseman uh you know

2631
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,520
there's all sorts of interesting stories

2632
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:05,520
that go up and down the the hudson in

2633
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,960
the catskills and

2634
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,560
and and even further up into the

2635
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:11,040
adirondacks uh

2636
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:11,840
what

2637
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:14,320
other types of stories that fall into

2638
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:17,679
this uh this peculiar sort of

2639
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,320
offering of food and drink uh comes from

2640
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,360
that area uh i seem to remember

2641
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,360
was it rip van winkle they were playing

2642
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,600
uh they were bowling or something and

2643
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:29,840
then one of them offered him

2644
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,520
i think something to drink

2645
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,679
uh yeah yeah he fell asleep for for

2646
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,960
decades and

2647
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,800
and woke up um

2648
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,360
do you want to recount that for for some

2649
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:41,040
of our younger listeners who may not be

2650
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:42,880
familiar with the story and then

2651
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:44,560
what other kinds of accounts could you

2652
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,800
equate from that part of the country

2653
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,760
well you know it's really interesting

2654
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,239
because um you know rip van winkle has

2655
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:52,400
has long been sort of a touchstone

2656
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:53,600
uh for

2657
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,679
the whole missing time phenomena that

2658
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:58,320
you run into uh with these with all

2659
01:38:03,510 --> 01:37:59,920
these sort of different uh different

2660
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:03,520
encounters um but uh van winkle had gone

2661
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,560
out to the mountains and he heard his

2662
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,400
name being called and he saw some person

2663
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,159
in this antiquated clothing which again

2664
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:12,000
calls to mind the idea that fairies were

2665
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,840
the souls of the dead and this guy was

2666
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,480
carrying a keg up the mountain and uh

2667
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,960
the the they actually um they actually

2668
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,760
went to look for uh some of these

2669
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,840
thundering noises and as it turns out

2670
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:25,920
that a bunch of uh that a bunch of

2671
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:27,760
people who again look much like fairies

2672
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,320
were actually playing it was a bowling

2673
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,400
or nine pins something the predecessor

2674
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,719
of bowling um but he doesn't really rip

2675
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,719
van winkle doesn't ask who they are or

2676
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,560
or really you know even that he doesn't

2677
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,080
introduce himself and he drinks some of

2678
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,760
their moonshine and that's when he falls

2679
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,480
asleep um and then he wakes you know

2680
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:46,560
ages and ages and ages later his beard

2681
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,440
is longer and and uh and he is basically

2682
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,880
a man out of time

2683
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:51,920
um

2684
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:54,480
it's it's it's really interesting to me

2685
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,679
you find similar tales uh in in celtic

2686
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:59,920
fairy lore as well i mean there was a

2687
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,159
tale of uh two fiddlers from scotland

2688
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,480
who spent hours and hours at a ferry

2689
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:06,239
gathering and when they came out they

2690
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:08,080
emerged uh they emerged and they

2691
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,760
actually crumbled into dust and a lot of

2692
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,280
times you'll find people

2693
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,199
come out of this experience

2694
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,520
and they will in fairy lore they will

2695
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,040
actually have their first meal and then

2696
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,679
they will crumble into dust

2697
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,960
and i find that interesting because you

2698
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,280
look at some of the experiences that

2699
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:25,679
people who have or alleged abductees

2700
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:26,800
have had

2701
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,400
where their

2702
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:31,280
dietary choices have changed um i

2703
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,560
believe it was the uh avis abduction of

2704
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,320
uh england

2705
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,600
where they actually uh gave up eating

2706
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,280
meat and drinking alcohol and other

2707
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,400
things

2708
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:44,080
which is interesting you wonder if maybe

2709
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:45,840
some of the people in the fairylord had

2710
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:47,199
changed their diets they wouldn't have

2711
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,800
crumbled to dust

2712
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,040
but it's it's it's very interesting

2713
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:53,360
another component of that too

2714
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,920
this idea of a change in diet is that a

2715
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:57,600
lot of the foods that i surveyed this is

2716
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:59,119
getting back to a point that i failed to

2717
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,639
address earlier

2718
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:02,320
a lot of the foods in the survey that i

2719
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,440
found

2720
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,400
corresponded with the hindu satwik diet

2721
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,480
which is the diet that was preferred

2722
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,040
by seers and by mystics

2723
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,960
it's not really that unique in terms of

2724
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:15,040
being a lacto-vegetarian diet they're a

2725
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:16,639
lot of lacto-vegetarian diets the

2726
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:19,040
important thing with the satwik diet

2727
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,159
is that

2728
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,400
it places emphasis on certain foods and

2729
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,760
if you look at the emphasis placed on

2730
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,600
these foods it almost lines up directly

2731
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:27,920
number one uh highest emphasis of savic

2732
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,560
foods are juices and milk and of the

2733
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:32,000
liquids that you see described in these

2734
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,560
cases it's mostly juices or milk like

2735
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,199
drinks you know number two you know

2736
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,960
grains you see a lot of grains in these

2737
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,560
cases or things that people describe as

2738
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,920
grains at least

2739
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:43,280
uh so it's really interesting the way

2740
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:44,719
that that goes down the way that you see

2741
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,679
the people

2742
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:47,040
uh who have been involved in these

2743
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:48,480
experiences with the other will also

2744
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,840
have

2745
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,239
experiences that are very akin to what

2746
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:54,880
sativic mystics might have

2747
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:56,960
clairvoyance

2748
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,270
okay

2749
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,880
i like that

2750
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:04,880
here's uh another raven's feet question

2751
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,310
she does ask good questions i'll tell

2752
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,080
you

2753
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,239
is there a correlation between food

2754
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:16,400
being offered and its availability at

2755
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,440
the time

2756
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,960
are these reports more common among

2757
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,960
people or historical eras where food was

2758
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,719
either hard to come by

2759
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,719
or the product of a precarious

2760
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,880
agricultural system that was often prone

2761
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,800
to failure

2762
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,800
now that in the modern western

2763
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:32,880
countries at least now

2764
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,600
starvation and malnutrition are fairly

2765
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,360
rare events

2766
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,360
is that why we're seeing a decrease in

2767
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,520
these types of reports good question

2768
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:43,199
it's it's a great question and i would

2769
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:45,840
say yes there is definitely um a

2770
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,920
reflection in the experiences of the

2771
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,360
culture at the time i mean you look at

2772
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:51,520
the sort of things that were offered in

2773
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,280
theory encounters these sort of drinks

2774
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:55,280
that were offered they were always ales

2775
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:58,800
or or wines or punches

2776
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,080
very rarely water and the reason for

2777
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,719
that was because in the medieval ages

2778
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:04,400
water was actually less sanitary than

2779
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,600
the other these other drinks that were

2780
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,560
created by fermentation um similarly you

2781
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,159
look at the modern era

2782
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,000
now we we do have things like pills i

2783
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:14,000
mean pills are a relatively common thing

2784
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,719
that are given to abductees um

2785
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,239
again with this idea of of

2786
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:20,000
recontextualization and and different

2787
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:21,360
things meaning think different things to

2788
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:24,080
different people in different times um

2789
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:25,520
could a

2790
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,520
pill of modern day taken back to someone

2791
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,199
encountering a ferry along the road be

2792
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,440
interpreted as a wafer or as a cracker

2793
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:35,280
or something uh i think that there's

2794
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,520
there's some degree of uh

2795
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:38,639
of

2796
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:44,719
terminology and interpretation uh right

2797
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,760
different different things have

2798
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:47,600
different different names and different

2799
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:50,719
terminologies that tend to morph and and

2800
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,000
evolve or devolve over time so yeah it's

2801
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,320
all contextual and it's relative to the

2802
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:58,560
time period that's the standard valet

2803
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,679
101

2804
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,600
that these things tend to tend to morph

2805
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:04,000
and conform to the terminology and to

2806
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:04,719
the

2807
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:05,920
um

2808
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,960
i guess accepted the presence of

2809
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,840
whatever it is during a particular time

2810
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:15,119
time period

2811
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,040
yeah and it's it's the sort of thing too

2812
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,760
where i mean i have to wonder

2813
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:22,080
this is mostly a a western world

2814
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,520
phenomena from what i can tell the

2815
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:25,520
specific offering and giving and taking

2816
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,480
of food

2817
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,480
and sometimes i wonder was that because

2818
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,560
of a language barrier or is is there

2819
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,639
actually you know you think about the

2820
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,480
areas that wouldn't be encompassed

2821
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,800
encompassed in that like certain

2822
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,360
sub-saharan tribes where food is a is a

2823
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,159
very hard work for and very scarce

2824
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,760
commodity shared amongst amongst the

2825
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,520
people you know i wonder if that doesn't

2826
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,679
actually have some some sort of role to

2827
01:43:51,870 --> 01:43:49,440
play in these narratives as well

2828
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:51,880
yeah hey would you like a date

2829
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,480
[Laughter]

2830
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,400
bad dates

2831
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,719
eastern cases um i

2832
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,239
when i was doing my trickster book of

2833
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:02,639
course the trickster kind of plays into

2834
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:03,679
this it

2835
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:05,920
interweaves itself through these types

2836
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:08,080
of encounters which

2837
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,000
often have a very tricksterish element

2838
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,239
to them and some of the research that i

2839
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:14,400
did from asia let's say from the far

2840
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,800
east there are some very

2841
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,239
just

2842
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:20,400
captivating stories from japan from

2843
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,360
china

2844
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,199
what other sort of

2845
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,600
out of the western uh milieu and out of

2846
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:28,000
the western context uh what other uh

2847
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:29,040
cases

2848
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,679
are worthy of noting from uh from the

2849
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:33,199
far east let's say

2850
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,719
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2851
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2924
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2925
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,710
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2926
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,320
[Music]

2927
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,800
yabba-dabba-doo or something like that i

2928
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:05,040
lost track what do you do about dogs

2929
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:06,159
barking

2930
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,239
under these circumstances i don't know

2931
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:10,080
take them to thailand they love them

2932
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:11,679
there

2933
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,119
well we're not talking about having dogs

2934
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:15,679
for breakfast

2935
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,560
i don't know turn them into nathan's or

2936
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:20,080
hebrew nationals

2937
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,000
well you know my wife is a animal

2938
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,840
activist and she's after all these

2939
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,000
people who are consuming

2940
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,480
dog meat in south korea

2941
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,639
oh okay south korea well they do in

2942
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,480
thailand cambodia all over

2943
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,320
speaking of the far east our question

2944
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:36,080
still stands uh

2945
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:37,119
you know not

2946
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:38,639
unfortunately i haven't read the book

2947
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:40,719
i've been really under the gun and i do

2948
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,600
plan

2949
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,560
on absorbing it and making it part of my

2950
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,239
my research library because this is a

2951
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,239
fascinating topic i think

2952
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,719
you were very smart to dive into this it

2953
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,239
really hasn't been

2954
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,760
dealt with before there have been sexual

2955
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,920
encounter compilations uh which is a

2956
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,119
whole another

2957
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:59,520
side of the equation of course the boas

2958
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:01,679
case is one of my favorites she bark

2959
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,000
like a dog like an animal

2960
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,920
sounds like howard stern

2961
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,280
well yeah you know i think you could

2962
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,760
argue that the villa bawaz case um is is

2963
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,679
another recontextualization of this same

2964
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,440
motif because a substance was

2965
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:15,199
administered to him and if you look at

2966
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:16,320
the way that you know i mentioned

2967
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,679
earlier about this

2968
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,280
wait a minute he was he he was asked to

2969
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,760
eat her no no

2970
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:23,520
oh i could say so many things right now

2971
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,679
and i'm just gonna keep my mouth shut um

2972
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:28,400
it sounds like the satire that weird al

2973
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:29,520
did

2974
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:32,080
for the song beat it by

2975
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,159
michael jackson eat it

2976
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:36,560
open up your mouth and feed it

2977
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,840
what i was going to what i was going to

2978
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,280
say is that he was covered with an

2979
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,480
ointment before uh being forced to have

2980
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,800
sex with this alien woman and you know

2981
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,320
if you look at the the what i said

2982
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,239
earlier about uh some of these anecdotes

2983
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,320
about absorbing things through the skin

2984
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:52,880
then you have to say well is ointment

2985
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:56,719
another part of this food trope um and

2986
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:58,560
you know if you include that then the

2987
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,600
number of cases that you've got to

2988
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,159
include skyrockets so yeah i would not

2989
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,920
eat eggs and trope by the way i don't

2990
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:06,159
think it tastes very good

2991
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,600
that's tripe um i know i tried tripe a

2992
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:11,520
couple of times in my life

2993
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:12,560
better

2994
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,320
not say anything more oh well try menudo

2995
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:19,280
that's true but it is good eastern right

2996
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,159
eastern cases indonesia japan china uh

2997
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:24,639
parts of southeast asia it's interesting

2998
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,800
again with the idea of foods matching to

2999
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:28,800
to their cultures you do

3000
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:31,199
run into some some japanese cases where

3001
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,040
uh children are actually given rice

3002
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,119
there was one story

3003
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,400
from 1907 where a child was supposed to

3004
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:40,960
be setting out rice cakes for a upcoming

3005
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,960
religious festival and he disappeared

3006
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,719
for several hours and they found the kid

3007
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:46,880
and his face was covered in rice cakes

3008
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,560
and he said that a stranger had taken

3009
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:50,159
him walking over the treetops and they'd

3010
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,600
gone in all the right all the people's

3011
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,360
homes and eaten rice cakes and

3012
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,600
afterwards the child had become a real

3013
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,920
dullard as it were which you know again

3014
01:51:02,470 --> 01:50:59,760
could be perceived as a

3015
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:02,480
variation on the uh the the idea of

3016
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,159
eating in fairyland and returning home

3017
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:06,960
irreparably changed right so in terms of

3018
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,040
other cases from that part of the world

3019
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:11,040
you just don't find them that much but

3020
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,560
i've looked into it and i i haven't

3021
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,560
found anything if anyone has found

3022
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,760
something i would love to find out about

3023
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,760
it because i think this this topic

3024
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,440
definitely needs a follow-up in the

3025
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,520
future well that's interesting because i

3026
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:23,440
i automatically you know the you know

3027
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:25,600
light went off in my my head and you

3028
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:29,040
have the same parallel between this

3029
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,000
particular topic of food and other

3030
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:34,560
administered or offered consumables or

3031
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:36,719
ointments or that sort of thing being

3032
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,920
predominantly a western world christian

3033
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,960
country

3034
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,960
phenomenon in in terms of going back

3035
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,400
into history as well as as modern

3036
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:46,159
accounts and you see the same thing in

3037
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,159
the in the unexplained livestock death

3038
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:50,800
phenomenon i i had thought about that uh

3039
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:52,080
when i was actually writing that that

3040
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:53,119
part of the book i was thinking about

3041
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,480
the fact that you had made note of that

3042
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:56,080
numerous times um

3043
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:57,360
and interesting to me is if this is

3044
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,520
purely a psychological phenomena you

3045
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,520
would think that the sorts of foods that

3046
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,520
people would be given in the west would

3047
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,280
reflect the most popular foods in the

3048
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:07,440
west which i think we can all agree are

3049
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,280
meat and candy right

3050
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:11,280
but you don't see that i could literally

3051
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,040
count on probably two hands the number

3052
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:14,880
of cases that i found not even in terms

3053
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,199
of how well vetted they are just just

3054
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:19,520
finding things that involve meat or that

3055
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,440
involve candy you find a couple of

3056
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,760
contacty cases where steaks are served i

3057
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,119
found one

3058
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,119
not very well sourced tale about an

3059
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,800
irishman consuming a hamburger on a

3060
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:30,960
spacecraft and then in terms of candy

3061
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,480
you just don't find it you think that

3062
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,159
that would be a good tool in the alien

3063
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,119
arsenal hey kid you want some candy yeah

3064
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,960
now having said other kids kids kids are

3065
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,320
taught not to accept candy from

3066
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,480
strangers especially aliens dreams true

3067
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,560
it's true returning also to the asian

3068
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,560
thing i mean in terms of modern era

3069
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,760
accounts were actually like you know

3070
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,040
first-person accounts i didn't find

3071
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,880
anything there are myths there are some

3072
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:53,119
people in uh for example uh i don't

3073
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,480
really think you count new zealand as

3074
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,480
the far east but the maori of new

3075
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,080
zealand say that you can go visit your

3076
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,360
dead lover as long as you don't eat

3077
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:01,840
anything and in mesopotamian mythology

3078
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,000
um a hero adopt refused food from the

3079
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:06,639
god anu although it promised immortality

3080
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,080
he could never return

3081
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,000
again there's some other mythology in

3082
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:12,480
japan where a goddess died in childbirth

3083
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,000
and ate food in the afterlife and so she

3084
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,679
couldn't return either so

3085
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,199
in terms of mythology it definitely has

3086
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,840
a worldwide phenomena well how about you

3087
01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:21,199
gene what do you think are you a

3088
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:22,880
worldwide phenomenon

3089
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,679
actually i'm a worldwide nightmare

3090
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,360
oh my let me ask you something here

3091
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:29,040
we're talking a lot about historical

3092
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:31,520
stuff what about events that occurred

3093
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,800
more recently

3094
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,599
yeah you don't find a lot of stuff since

3095
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,520
the turn of our new century i mean you

3096
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,760
find some stuff like there was a an

3097
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:42,080
article in pravda about a woman being

3098
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,960
made to uh live with a yeti and eat raw

3099
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:45,920
meat

3100
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:48,400
there was one interesting account uh out

3101
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:51,840
of spain from the year 2000 where a uh

3102
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,280
a liberal arts professor was hunting

3103
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,599
with his students and he he actually

3104
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:57,360
ended up falling asleep beneath the tree

3105
01:54:01,589 --> 01:54:00,159
shades of rip van winkle and he awoke to

3106
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,599
find himself being drug into the

3107
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,360
spacecraft by this tentacle and once he

3108
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,520
was once he was awakened there he found

3109
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,679
some entities that told him that their

3110
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,520
craft had affected him in some way and

3111
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:11,599
they had to take him and sort of help

3112
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,119
him back to health shades of travis

3113
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,280
walton but while he was there they

3114
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:17,599
actually gave him a red liquid and a hot

3115
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,840
broth and some sort of marmalade that he

3116
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:21,360
described and he said that the meal

3117
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,960
would sustain him for the entire day

3118
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,920
which

3119
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:26,000
again implies that it wasn't to me at

3120
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,599
least implies that perhaps wasn't real

3121
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,480
food uh this this was in a spanish

3122
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,360
newspaper that i found besides that um a

3123
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:35,360
lot of the things that you find

3124
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:38,639
are mostly from the 70s and 80s

3125
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,599
i did find another case

3126
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:43,599
where some children in the philippines

3127
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:46,239
supposedly gave a dwarf a biscuit in

3128
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,520
2004

3129
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:49,520
but that's that's the other direction of

3130
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,880
exchange

3131
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,440
we have a question from one of our

3132
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:55,920
premier posters and also a good friend

3133
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,040
of the show burnt state uh who asks in

3134
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,719
your book you highlight the notion that

3135
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,560
alien food and drink are often prepared

3136
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,960
for us as if this is a mythic offering

3137
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,040
of ambrosia from the gods something that

3138
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:09,360
will change us or return us back home

3139
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,199
but what are your thoughts on cases that

3140
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:13,920
break such patterns such as the the i

3141
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:17,360
think emelson 1978 polish abduction case

3142
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:19,040
where the little green men and divers

3143
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,400
outfits offered jan wolski some icicle

3144
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:24,159
shaped crumbly food

3145
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,679
that they were eating but that he

3146
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:27,520
rejects

3147
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:28,800
is this

3148
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,119
a kind of a

3149
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:34,080
sort of a runs counter to you know your

3150
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:35,280
normal

3151
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,280
uh cases where where

3152
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:39,920
the offering is accepted i mean how many

3153
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:41,599
cases do we have

3154
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,880
especially

3155
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:44,560
20th century cases

3156
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:47,280
or 21st century cases where the offering

3157
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:49,920
is rejected by the um by the victim of

3158
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:52,239
the uh particular event

3159
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:53,679
it's rare and you know it's interesting

3160
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:56,239
because i i find it really funny i i

3161
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,840
wouldn't accept food from somebody who

3162
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:00,000
came to my door right now nonetheless

3163
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,400
you know an alien aboard a craft but a

3164
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,719
lot of people tend to act of

3165
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,920
you know under

3166
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:07,679
not even under duress but just of their

3167
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,800
own free will but it's like they're

3168
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:10,000
actually being controlled somehow

3169
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:12,080
externally i mean i think of the uh

3170
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,199
the higdon case uh was it charlie higdon

3171
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,520
i believe uh he was a carl hickman

3172
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:19,840
that's right he was a bowhunter and he

3173
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,719
uh was actually he was she shot at an

3174
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,199
elk and the bullet stopped and this

3175
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:26,880
yellow man appeared in front of him and

3176
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:28,880
floated some pills to him and he said

3177
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,360
later that he never even takes aspirin

3178
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:33,440
you know um he doesn't take anything

3179
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,119
unless a doctor prescribes him but he

3180
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:37,599
took those pills which is sort of odd i

3181
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,920
think in the wolsky case um

3182
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:41,440
i think the

3183
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:43,679
it's important to look at

3184
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:46,080
um i think you can sort of derive entity

3185
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:49,920
intent from how forcefully they suggest

3186
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,480
food so if you have you know grey aliens

3187
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:54,239
who are administering a ball gag to give

3188
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:55,840
you liquid which has happened in some

3189
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:58,480
cases apparently um that's a completely

3190
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,960
different uh scenario than in the wolsky

3191
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,560
case where you know this this food was

3192
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,239
offered and was rejected and it was it

3193
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:06,480
was no big deal you know no problem bro

3194
01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:07,520
um

3195
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:09,760
so yeah it's it's people are acting

3196
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,199
people don't seem to be acting of their

3197
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:13,199
own volition which again

3198
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:16,400
i i think says something about the sort

3199
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of

3200
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3201
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[Music]

3305
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:02,960
we have joshua custon and we're talking

3306
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:06,000
about alien foodstuffs or foodstuffs

3307
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:07,599
from the gods or

3308
02:02:12,229 --> 02:02:09,760
some sort of thing like that and the

3309
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:12,239
book is called the trojan feast the food

3310
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:14,880
and drink offerings of aliens

3311
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:17,520
fairies in sasquatch but not gene and

3312
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:19,679
chris chris you had a comment

3313
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,920
well i was i was just going to um

3314
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:23,920
comment that um

3315
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:24,880
when you're

3316
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:28,320
in the proximity of unusual beings uh

3317
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:29,520
creatures

3318
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:31,360
your your total environment seems to

3319
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,679
change almost um in a

3320
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:36,159
you know hallucinogenic way uh you know

3321
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:38,560
everything seems brighter or uh you see

3322
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,990
there seems to be a crackle in the air i

3323
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:45,599
mean there's common

3324
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:47,360
you know case after case after case you

3325
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:49,920
you have people that that

3326
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:52,480
seem to be suspended into some other

3327
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:54,880
form of reality that has enough

3328
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:56,719
familiarity with

3329
02:02:59,189 --> 02:02:57,679
uh

3330
02:03:01,510 --> 02:02:59,199
you know the person

3331
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:01,520
but there's something energetically

3332
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:04,320
different um you know just things seem

3333
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:07,199
to be more vibrant uh

3334
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:09,760
you know you get this kind of underlying

3335
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:12,639
current of descriptions um through many

3336
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:15,679
many cases and

3337
02:03:20,229 --> 02:03:19,040
that could i think uh psychologically

3338
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:20,239
um

3339
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:23,280
possibly help induce uh behavior that

3340
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:24,719
normally wouldn't be

3341
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:27,599
um exhibited by by someone i think if

3342
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:29,199
you're if you're

3343
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:31,520
taken out of your you know everyday

3344
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:32,639
reality

3345
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:34,159
then all bets are off on how you're

3346
02:03:39,109 --> 02:03:36,960
going to respond to to certain stimuli

3347
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,119
or certain situations and and that might

3348
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:41,599
possibly be one of the explanations for

3349
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:42,800
people accepting things that they

3350
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,080
normally wouldn't uh except because the

3351
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:48,320
just the whole vibe of the experience is

3352
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:49,760
so different and there's there's a

3353
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:52,159
veneer of of

3354
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:53,360
a

3355
02:03:59,990 --> 02:03:56,880
uh

3356
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,000
if it's not fearful fear inducing

3357
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,639
and it's neutral or in

3358
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:04,400
maybe it even induces some sort of

3359
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:06,639
ecstatic response from the from the

3360
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:09,360
person then possibly they may

3361
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:11,119
accept food they may accept drinks they

3362
02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:12,159
may

3363
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,760
if they're not in a place of total

3364
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:15,520
terror or fear then then i could see

3365
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,320
that psychologically there could be some

3366
02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:20,719
some rationale for

3367
02:04:25,430 --> 02:04:23,199
people accepting these things

3368
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:25,440
just almost as a as an automatic

3369
02:04:30,470 --> 02:04:28,239
response to the to the offering

3370
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:30,480
you know one one question here

3371
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:33,440
i'm not sure if we really covered fully

3372
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:36,159
how you got interested in for diana to

3373
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:37,520
begin with i mean

3374
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:40,080
give us a little sense of of how you got

3375
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,520
interested in these subjects to begin

3376
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:43,280
with i mean obviously you're a very

3377
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:46,000
bright guy you know you play

3378
02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:47,920
you play this uh in a very objective

3379
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:49,840
sort of let the data kind of

3380
02:04:54,070 --> 02:04:51,280
tell the story

3381
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:54,080
uh sort of way which we really like uh

3382
02:04:57,270 --> 02:04:55,280
the guests that

3383
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:57,280
that are very objective and very neutral

3384
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:59,920
tend to be the guests that uh gene and i

3385
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:01,679
really like it's the people that are

3386
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:02,960
totally you know immersed in their

3387
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:04,400
subjectiveness that

3388
02:05:07,030 --> 02:05:05,440
tend to

3389
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:07,040
make a squirm a little bit

3390
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,920
but

3391
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:09,679
how did you get interested in all this

3392
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:12,239
uh i mean how old were you what uh what

3393
02:05:17,430 --> 02:05:15,760
are your um inspirations uh from from

3394
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:17,440
your past that really got you involved

3395
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:19,840
in this whole realm in the first place

3396
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,520
well you know i first of all i really

3397
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:23,679
admire those kind words uh chris because

3398
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:26,239
uh i'm i've been petrified about this

3399
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:27,520
this interview all week i've been

3400
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:29,119
looking forward to it and this is you

3401
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:30,719
know when i when i when i first started

3402
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:32,239
writing this book i said i kind of want

3403
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:33,679
to write this book just to have a chance

3404
02:05:36,709 --> 02:05:35,440
to talk to these people and and the two

3405
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,719
of you are some people that i wanted a

3406
02:05:40,470 --> 02:05:38,880
chance to talk to and it was i've been

3407
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:40,480
really nervous about this so that means

3408
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:42,960
a lot but uh i didn't have really an

3409
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:44,320
experience before i got interested in

3410
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:45,920
this um i was a

3411
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:47,760
a monster kid if it was a monster or a

3412
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:49,280
dinosaur or something i was all over it

3413
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:52,560
i was interested in it and uh my parents

3414
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:55,119
never shied away from any of these

3415
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:57,520
strange subjects in fact um it wasn't

3416
02:06:01,589 --> 02:05:58,400
until

3417
02:06:03,109 --> 02:06:01,599
i started writing the book that i

3418
02:06:05,030 --> 02:06:03,119
realized there was such a stigma around

3419
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:05,040
some of these subjects uh because you

3420
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:07,040
know this idea of inquiry and this idea

3421
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:08,639
of openness was always

3422
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,960
encouraged in my family so you know i'd

3423
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:12,719
been i'd touched upon it here and there

3424
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:14,880
i'd always tried to you know i was big

3425
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:16,639
into sasquatch sasquatch was my gateway

3426
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,440
drug and all this i didn't really come

3427
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,360
sorry what was that no that was good i

3428
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:23,840
like that you're a gateway drug you okay

3429
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,320
because mine too actually well it's it's

3430
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:28,159
a very simple thing to wrap your mind

3431
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,719
around you know at first at least it is

3432
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:32,880
it was uh you know it was something that

3433
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:33,920
okay well

3434
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:36,079
sure sure big hairy monster in the woods

3435
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:38,480
that's totally possible um i didn't

3436
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:40,000
really come back to this subject like i

3437
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:41,599
said i had a passing interest in it here

3438
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,719
and there i didn't really come back to

3439
02:06:46,069 --> 02:06:44,960
the subject in depth until i had some

3440
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:46,079
free time

3441
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,440
around the holidays i worked at the

3442
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:49,599
university of georgia at that time and i

3443
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,560
was

3444
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:52,239
trying to find something to fill up my

3445
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,119
ears

3446
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:55,520
and i discovered paranormal podcasts of

3447
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:57,599
all uh variety and sorts starting with

3448
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:59,280
mysterious universe which again is a

3449
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:01,599
good gateway drug for people um because

3450
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:04,159
they think those guys are real funny and

3451
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:05,920
and do a put together a really really

3452
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:08,079
tight show and i started listening to

3453
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,360
that and i got more and more immersed in

3454
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:10,880
the subject and

3455
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:12,800
it really really was that moment reading

3456
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:15,599
j robert alley's raincoat sasquatch

3457
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,960
that i really had a lightbulb moment i

3458
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:18,800
said nobody's written this book nobody's

3459
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:20,320
going to write this book so let's write

3460
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:21,679
this book and then you know once you do

3461
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:23,920
that the die is cast i mean i am sure

3462
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,920
that i have applied for jobs in the past

3463
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:27,280
since i've written this book and i

3464
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:29,040
haven't gotten to the second interview

3465
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:30,239
because they've googled my name and

3466
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:32,239
found this crazy book that i've written

3467
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:33,440
but uh

3468
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,040
you know this is what i'm doing now so

3469
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,440
i'm doubling down on this

3470
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:39,440
i still am a professional musician

3471
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:40,719
that's where the lion's share of my

3472
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:42,079
income comes from

3473
02:07:45,430 --> 02:07:44,320
and uh i'm halfway through book number

3474
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,440
two so

3475
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:47,760
uh it's it's it's and i i will say that

3476
02:07:50,950 --> 02:07:49,119
of the people that i've met i haven't

3477
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:50,960
really met anybody who's a jerk yet in

3478
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:53,440
this field i know i will but so far

3479
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,800
they've been people who have been really

3480
02:07:58,470 --> 02:07:56,400
of a kindred spirit and i haven't had

3481
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:58,480
anybody who's beaten up on me too much

3482
02:08:01,750 --> 02:08:00,000
for not coming to

3483
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:01,760
to uh conclusions you know i'd like to

3484
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:03,199
stay in this ambiguous area area and

3485
02:08:06,310 --> 02:08:04,320
everybody's really entertained me in

3486
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,320
that so far

3487
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:08,639
long enough and boy you

3488
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,719
i know they'll beat you up boy i had to

3489
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:12,719
write the trickster book because so many

3490
02:08:16,709 --> 02:08:14,320
people were dogging me about you know

3491
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:16,719
how much i was putting on the table and

3492
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:18,159
saying check this out and then not

3493
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:20,800
coming up with any opinions or or real

3494
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,360
solid uh in-depth conclusions and that's

3495
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:25,679
where the trickster book came from i've

3496
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:28,159
since then been dogged about that so

3497
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,599
yeah it doesn't matter what you do in

3498
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,599
this field at some point somebody is

3499
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:33,679
going to latch on to it and uh take take

3500
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:35,360
you to task

3501
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:36,800
not necessarily for your interest in the

3502
02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:38,000
subject but

3503
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:39,599
if you do it properly

3504
02:08:43,669 --> 02:08:41,520
people are just um

3505
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:43,679
like like my roommate from college he

3506
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:45,440
read my first book and i won't use

3507
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:47,360
graphic words but he said man it was

3508
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,320
like making love all night not coming it

3509
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:52,079
was like uh

3510
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:54,000
i guess that's a compliment

3511
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,000
thanks

3512
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:57,920
i'll tell you this show has been going

3513
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,280
over the line

3514
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:01,920
more and more and now we've jumped the

3515
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:03,199
shark

3516
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:04,560
no there were no

3517
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:06,320
george carlin seven dirty words there i

3518
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:08,719
could have used one so you actually did

3519
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,560
on last week's episode of after the

3520
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:12,320
power cat well that was after the

3521
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,840
paracast that's where we let our hair

3522
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:15,840
down and uh let it fly

3523
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:17,840
yes in fact we let in lots of flies we

3524
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:20,400
had to swat them

3525
02:09:22,709 --> 02:09:21,119
yeah

3526
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i didn't know chris i didn't know chris

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that your first book was called the

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to get

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called hot and bothered uh sexual uh

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encounters in the paranormal

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which is a kind of a book i've been sort

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of mulling over because i've got a quite

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a bit of research i've

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i've done that just makes me scratch my

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head and go hmm

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i'm all about it and you know uh

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on all seriousness um you know a lot of

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these a lot of things that i've looked

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into have dovetailed and have some

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implications with food i mean you look

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at the two things you know food is

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essential to an individual's survival

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species survival you look at you know

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themes with the garden of eden uh you

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know about food being used as a metaphor

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for you know carnal knowledge uh i i do

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have a chapter about that so yeah

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listening to the paracast the gold

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ufos and sex

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having weird

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associations of course we have that

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situation with some of these abductions

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where allegedly people

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have some kind of relationship with e.t

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or they take

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sperm samples they want to be clinical

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about it we have joshua kutchen with

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02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,960
gene and chris

3677
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:25,679
on the power cast this week exploring

3678
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alien

3679
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:28,239
fairy

3680
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:30,960
sasquatch foodstuffs

3681
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:32,639
and what to look out for

3682
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:33,599
now

3683
02:15:38,229 --> 02:15:36,159
how often are we seeing cases of this

3684
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:38,239
kind through the years is this something

3685
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:40,560
that just happens on a rare occasion or

3686
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:43,199
if we go through the years from

3687
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:45,360
hundreds of years ago to now

3688
02:15:49,910 --> 02:15:47,599
it's loads of people reporting similar

3689
02:15:52,069 --> 02:15:49,920
stuff well you know again i i it just

3690
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,079
depends on how broadly you want to cast

3691
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:54,400
your net you know if you look in in

3692
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:56,159
terms of antiquity i mean it was a it

3693
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was a very common thing you can find a

3694
02:16:02,390 --> 02:15:59,920
lot of stories about

3695
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uh not you shouldn't drink this or you

3696
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:03,520
know you

3697
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:04,960
walking along with fairylane at night

3698
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and you didn't thank the ferry for their

3699
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,800
for their food that they gave you or if

3700
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:10,320
you you're sort of damned if you do and

3701
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:12,639
damned if you didn't because if you took

3702
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their food you were trapped and if you

3703
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:14,880
didn't take their food they'd be

3704
02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:16,719
offended so you find lots of stories

3705
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,239
like that and then you know in the

3706
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:20,159
contact e era there were a lot of

3707
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:22,800
elizabeth clare was given some food but

3708
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:25,040
the golden age of contact he's had this

3709
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:26,880
it comes in in certain ways you know

3710
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:29,599
you'll see a wave of people being given

3711
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:31,119
injections you'll see a wave of people

3712
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:32,639
being given again do you want you want

3713
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:34,000
to cast your net wide enough to include

3714
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:35,280
ointments well if that's the case then

3715
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:37,760
it's it's happens all the time so it's

3716
02:16:41,349 --> 02:16:39,439
just this idea of substances being

3717
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:41,359
administered and and it's definitely

3718
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:43,439
like i said a minor motif of the

3719
02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:45,679
phenomena i will say that you know i

3720
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:48,160
didn't find a lot of cases from

3721
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:50,160
between you know between

3722
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:52,160
legend and

3723
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:54,080
medieval era there aren't a lot and then

3724
02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:55,679
there's a cluster in the medieval era

3725
02:16:59,190 --> 02:16:57,120
and then from like

3726
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:59,200
the enlightenment to you know kenneth

3727
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:00,800
arnold's siding there's not a lot of

3728
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,880
stuff that you run into either

3729
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,960
well except for the fairy folk uh

3730
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:07,200
accounts uh all through the right the

3731
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:10,160
latter middle ages up until you know

3732
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:12,399
the eighteen late eighteen hundreds uh

3733
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:15,040
evans weiss has quite a number of of

3734
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:16,639
accounts in there how about the great

3735
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:19,120
airship wave i seem to recall a couple

3736
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:21,200
of accounts not many but a couple

3737
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,000
accounts where food or some sort of

3738
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:26,639
drink was involved at

3739
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:27,679
the

3740
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:32,719
for water i think i remember one or two

3741
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,120
cases like that um do we have any others

3742
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:37,519
that actually have consumable food

3743
02:17:42,309 --> 02:17:39,920
involved in the actual primary uh

3744
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:42,319
description of the event yes none that i

3745
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,479
found that were explicitly um offering

3746
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,639
food to people on the ground from the

3747
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:49,120
airship but here uh very similar to the

3748
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:52,559
simonton case uh a lot of airship

3749
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,160
pilots or airship

3750
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,559
passengers would request foodstuffs of

3751
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:58,399
people on the ground they'd land or

3752
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:00,559
whatnot there was a indiana farmer who

3753
02:18:04,629 --> 02:18:03,280
uh saw an airship landed and a guy

3754
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:04,639
jumped out and said hey i need a pail of

3755
02:18:07,910 --> 02:18:06,479
milk there was a famous story which i

3756
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:07,920
think is it might be a little bit

3757
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,800
dubious but there was a william mcgivern

3758
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:13,040
of pine lake michigan said that one

3759
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:14,960
night he was awoken because the people

3760
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,719
in the airship yelled down to him that

3761
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:18,479
they wanted four dozen egg sandwiches

3762
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:20,080
and a kettle of coffee

3763
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:26,950
it just makes you wonder whether these

3764
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,280
were real people uh aboard a real ship

3765
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,760
uh doing really real things or if the

3766
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,599
point wasn't to make the point wasn't to

3767
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:35,200
make him go huh

3768
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:37,120
i mean maybe that was the point

3769
02:18:41,190 --> 02:18:38,800
yeah but how would an alien know about

3770
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:41,200
egg sandwiches uh that's i don't know

3771
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,280
that's that goes up to sort of the

3772
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:45,599
walter bosley and the arrow sonoran

3773
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:47,200
arrow club you know that these were real

3774
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:48,800
humans aboard

3775
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:51,519
fantastic new technology uh that whole

3776
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,319
airship wave is it to me

3777
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:57,120
that is really the the connective tissue

3778
02:19:02,309 --> 02:18:59,599
between the ancient uh and the modern i

3779
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,319
think that that uh that whole

3780
02:19:06,870 --> 02:19:05,599
wave of sightings uh in a you know just

3781
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:06,880
encompasses

3782
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:09,519
the totality of the high strangeness of

3783
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:11,760
this whole subject area because it it

3784
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:13,840
really it's you can't say it's modern

3785
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:15,519
you can't say it's ancient it's it's

3786
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:17,840
kind of in between it's it's almost like

3787
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:18,880
a

3788
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:28,319
uh we're still seeing

3789
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:32,240
the vestiges of descriptions um that you

3790
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:34,479
know are surviving into the modern era

3791
02:19:41,110 --> 02:19:38,800
so what other aspects of fortiana uh are

3792
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:41,120
you attracted to and and what other

3793
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types of research projects have you

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considered uh moving forward here

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because you you seem to you seem to have

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you know jumped into the pool with both

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feet so

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yeah yeah there's there's no uh there's

3799
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no washing this off of me right now no i

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i'm interested in

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real the real deep 40 and stuff falls

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from the sky and stuff like that the

3803
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problem is with what i want to research

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and what i want to look into um is to

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find something that

3806
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uh if to find an angle that people

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haven't really addressed before um you

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know i i admire and i think that we do

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need more people out there investigating

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this phase of my life right now that's

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just not something that i can that i can

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02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:20,560
do

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uh so instead the way that i compensate

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for that is i say well let me look at

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02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,760
stuff that's out there already in a

3816
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:27,600
different light so

3817
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:29,359
what i'm in the middle of right now is

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02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:31,600
i'm doing this similar project um

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02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,359
cataloging

3820
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,000
smells smells of

3821
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:38,000
ghosts demons

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02:20:43,429 --> 02:20:41,359
sasquatch men in black ufos aliens all

3823
02:20:44,950 --> 02:20:43,439
these things and trying to i mean

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02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,960
obviously it's impossible to do a survey

3825
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:46,240
of that because

3826
02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:49,760
if there were maybe 1500 possible cases

3827
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,080
um out there about people receiving food

3828
02:20:57,750 --> 02:20:55,439
from entities there are probably 15

3829
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:57,760
000 000 cases

3830
02:21:02,309 --> 02:20:59,600
of people smelling something but in a

3831
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:02,319
lot of it featuring sulfur and brimstone

3832
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,640
exactly exactly and that's that's sort

3833
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:06,160
of what the book is out to not really

3834
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,439
help to prove but that's sort of what i

3835
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:09,040
try to hope to outline the sketch in the

3836
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book is how many of these things really

3837
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,680
do connect with sulfur and what does

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02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,920
that mean from an alchemical standpoint

3839
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:17,359
what does that mean from a scientific

3840
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,120
standpoint uh you know i don't think

3841
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:22,319
people realize how hard-wired we are to

3842
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,200
uh notice sulfurous compounds but it's

3843
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:27,840
like you could not really tailor a smell

3844
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,720
to be more noticed than sulfur or

3845
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:32,720
specifically hydrogen sulfide mostly

3846
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,319
because sulfur actually is odorless

3847
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:36,720
unless it's burned it's almost like

3848
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:38,960
that particular odor is chosen to get

3849
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:41,200
noticed so it's i can see why nobody's

3850
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:42,399
done this project before though because

3851
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:44,880
it's freaking huge it's it's become yeah

3852
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:46,640
that's a big undertaking because there's

3853
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a lot of data out there that mentions

3854
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,560
smells because

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02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:52,399
obviously the old factory sense is one

3856
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:55,600
of one of the first things that people

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are able to access and remember because

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uh smells um i mean we can

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02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,640
we can remember smells that we had as as

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infants right one of my earliest

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memories as as a human being is the

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smell of uh

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pickles uh the smell of pickling

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02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:14,000
operation that my grandmother

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was involved in in

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02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:17,359
in pickling and that's one of my

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earliest earliest earliest memories in

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fact it may be my earliest conscious

3869
02:22:24,550 --> 02:22:23,200
memory well and again it's also tied

3870
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,560
into memory in the same way that taste

3871
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:26,560
does i mean we talk about marcel proust

3872
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:28,640
in the uh narrative of the madeleine

3873
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:30,880
cookie bringing back memories so it's

3874
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,120
it's a logical next step um but yeah

3875
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there's this psychological angle to look

3876
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,520
at you know look how how reliable are

3877
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:39,840
smells under hypnotic regression how you

3878
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:41,120
know how should we interpret it when

3879
02:22:44,070 --> 02:22:42,720
people change their interpretation of

3880
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:44,080
what things smell like are people

3881
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:45,680
describing what they're smelling are

3882
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:46,800
they equating with something else

3883
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something that i wasn't really aware of

3884
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:50,399
is how often people conflate ozone and

3885
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:52,000
sulfur

3886
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,600
i remember the books from john keel

3887
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where he's talking about the odor of

3888
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burnt sulphur

3889
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sometimes

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at the beginning of some kind of

3891
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paranormal encounter what's your thought

3892
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:09,359
kiel talked about this at length at

3893
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great length um you know the one issue

3894
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that i will take with kiel is that he

3895
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said that uh you know

3896
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:16,160
these entities or whatever these

3897
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:17,600
entities or these craft couldn't emit

3898
02:23:20,550 --> 02:23:19,040
sulfur in the in the amounts that are

3899
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:20,560
needed to smell this strongly well

3900
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actually again we're so we're so

3901
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:23,280
fine-tuned to sulfur you don't need a

3902
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:24,880
lot of it um

3903
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:28,000
but uh yeah kiel talked about this a ton

3904
02:23:32,309 --> 02:23:30,479
especially in regards to uh to

3905
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you know large hairy bipeds you thought

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that might suggest some sort of

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dimensional shift or release of energy

3908
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:38,160
that could somehow catalyze sulfur in

3909
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,680
the environment i'm not sure about that

3910
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:41,359
but there are some other there are some

3911
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:43,120
other issues to look at so that this

3912
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project is really taking a look at each

3913
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,800
individual smell from each individual

3914
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,640
phenomenon saying well what could this

3915
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:51,280
mean you know well hydrogen sulfide and

3916
02:23:55,510 --> 02:23:53,760
appears in uh you know in some abduction

3917
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:55,520
reports what does that mean well if

3918
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you're exposed to too much hydrogen

3919
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:58,240
sulfide you can have memory issues and

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you can have reproduction issues and you

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can you know so it's it's really trying

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to take apart each of what one of these

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issues is whereas a trojan feast was

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really sort of narrowing down the

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narrowing down the uh

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the tunnel into this focused look at

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empty agents um that means consciousness

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this has been such a quick show you know

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it just seems like just five minutes ago

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about a trojan feast and now i'm getting

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hungry i'm almost ready to have lunch

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but i'm not going to eat anything that

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smells a burnt sulfur i think it'll just

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that might still smell of burnt sulfur

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other book is going to be more like a

4061
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:33,200
case-by-case issue-by-issue look at

4062
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:34,640
things so and then there's some

4063
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:37,120
interesting there's an interesting uh

4064
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:38,560
light bulb that i had for a final

4065
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:40,399
chapter in epilogue today so we'll we'll

4066
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:41,840
see how it turns out

4067
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:43,600
um i've been really humbled by some of

4068
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:44,880
the feedback that i've gotten about a

4069
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:47,040
trojan feast and it's it's still i still

4070
02:29:50,070 --> 02:29:48,240
have to pinch myself to think that

4071
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:50,080
people that i have admired have thought

4072
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:52,399
a lot of this work so you know we love

4073
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:54,800
creative thinking and looking at angles

4074
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,000
that have been

4075
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:58,720
kind of just passed over this is a like

4076
02:30:02,150 --> 02:30:00,399
you said it's a minor thread but it is a

4077
02:30:04,550 --> 02:30:02,160
thread that weaves its way

4078
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:04,560
from the ancient accounts from

4079
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:05,840
miss and legends all the way to the

4080
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,800
present so i you know i i really commend

4081
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:11,280
you and um also we really commend chris

4082
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:14,640
obeck for his work in in you know just

4083
02:30:18,389 --> 02:30:16,399
coming up with the historical cases to

4084
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:18,399
begin with um and then narrowing them

4085
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:20,960
down into olaf factory and in taste and

4086
02:30:24,150 --> 02:30:22,399
and and things like that i think i think

4087
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:24,160
we can learn a lot there and there's

4088
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,920
there's you know some people might think

4089
02:30:29,830 --> 02:30:27,920
well it's it's all subjective and

4090
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:29,840
there's minutiae involved and blah blah

4091
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:32,319
blah but when people say they're being

4092
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:34,960
offered food or drink or

4093
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:37,120
being lathered with ointment um i think

4094
02:30:42,150 --> 02:30:39,359
those are really important uh possibly

4095
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:42,160
key elements that are that are

4096
02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:43,840
just not really haven't been addressed

4097
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:45,280
in the way that you're doing and you

4098
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:47,359
know kudos to your work and and for your

4099
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:49,120
creative thinking you know and i was

4100
02:30:53,429 --> 02:30:50,640
going to mention that if anybody wants

4101
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:53,439
to know what uh sulfur uh smells like

4102
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:54,960
just come to my house after i haven't

4103
02:30:58,790 --> 02:30:56,560
run my water for a week and i've been

4104
02:31:01,590 --> 02:30:58,800
gone during the summer and then turn the

4105
02:31:02,790 --> 02:31:01,600
oh lord put the tap on

4106
02:31:10,710 --> 02:31:02,800
oh

4107
02:31:12,309 --> 02:31:10,720
bubs here somewhere where is he i got a

4108
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:12,319
well that

4109
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:13,920
besides the arsenic of course which i

4110
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:16,240
absorb when every time i take a shower

4111
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:18,560
the uh the hydrogen sulfite does get a

4112
02:31:21,030 --> 02:31:20,160
little overpowering if i'm gone for a

4113
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:21,040
few

4114
02:31:24,870 --> 02:31:22,800
a week or two

4115
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:24,880
well maybe e.t is hanging out at your

4116
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,200
home when you're not there well it you

4117
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:29,840
know i guess if uh if the devil's you

4118
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:31,920
know house sitting for me uh i'm not

4119
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:33,040
sure if that's

4120
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:35,120
necessarily a good thing but is that

4121
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:38,479
like the devils in the details

4122
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:42,560
uh when it comes to h2 and uh

4123
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:43,439
you know

4124
02:31:45,910 --> 02:31:44,640
sulfuric

4125
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:45,920
compounds in the

4126
02:31:51,349 --> 02:31:48,479
you know the lingering olafactory

4127
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:51,359
uh impact that it has on your

4128
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:54,560
nasal passages yeah maybe

4129
02:31:57,670 --> 02:31:56,160
cause boy i'll tell you it's when i

4130
02:31:59,830 --> 02:31:57,680
moved in here the house had sat empty

4131
02:32:01,910 --> 02:31:59,840
for a year and it took about a month to

4132
02:32:04,389 --> 02:32:01,920
get rid of the sulfur smell from the

4133
02:32:07,110 --> 02:32:04,399
from the well water it it just and

4134
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:07,120
during the summer of course the

4135
02:32:13,030 --> 02:32:09,439
uh well i won't get into it

4136
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:13,040
it's tough living in in the desert

4137
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:14,479
you take you take what you can get when

4138
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:16,960
as far as water goes right well i i

4139
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:20,479
don't i i'd cringe it uh it's just

4140
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:21,920
showering in this water because you

4141
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:23,840
absorb all these elements through your

4142
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:25,200
skin and

4143
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:27,120
i do quick showers and

4144
02:32:31,429 --> 02:32:29,120
and during the summer i try to you know

4145
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,439
get showers elsewhere as as often as i

4146
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:33,280
can because i'm i'm real concerned not

4147
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,319
not only

4148
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:36,720
the h2 and the hydrogen sulfides but

4149
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:39,040
also arsenic occurs naturally in the

4150
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:40,960
water here so it's not a good

4151
02:32:44,790 --> 02:32:43,200
combination so oh well you know there's

4152
02:32:48,550 --> 02:32:44,800
a price to living in the drier side of

4153
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:50,469
moving right along sorry about that i

4154
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:53,680
didn't mean to digress no worries so uh

4155
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:56,479
cool so the next one's on smells uh i

4156
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:58,960
can't wait do we have any cases of

4157
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:01,280
flatulent aliens for instance uh

4158
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:04,399
speaking of sulfur i i can't recall any

4159
02:33:08,150 --> 02:33:06,560
any cases where somebody said it it

4160
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:08,160
smelled like fart

4161
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:09,840
well they usually don't smell like fart

4162
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,240
here's part of what

4163
02:33:16,230 --> 02:33:14,240
part of the confusion is that people

4164
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:16,240
will say something smells like sulfur

4165
02:33:19,110 --> 02:33:17,280
and again they don't really mean it

4166
02:33:22,309 --> 02:33:19,120
smells like sulfur because sulfur is

4167
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:22,319
actually odorless and less lit

4168
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:25,920
but you do have people who say uh you

4169
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:27,760
know that ufos smell like sulfur at a

4170
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:29,120
close distance

4171
02:33:35,270 --> 02:33:31,760
you'll have people say that aliens smell

4172
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:35,280
like rotten eggs um i believe some uh

4173
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,680
some of some people regressed by yvonne

4174
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:39,280
smith said that

4175
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:40,560
um

4176
02:33:45,270 --> 02:33:43,600
uh you know i don't i don't have my my

4177
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:45,280
manuscript in front of me right now but

4178
02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:46,080
uh

4179
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:47,680
yeah the more you look at it the more

4180
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:49,600
you the the the two major categories

4181
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:51,200
that you find in

4182
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:54,000
in ufo cases are

4183
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:55,920
ammonia is another one yeah ammonia

4184
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,160
comes up with some degree of regularity

4185
02:34:03,190 --> 02:34:00,240
but in ufo cases from what i can tell

4186
02:34:05,349 --> 02:34:03,200
it's mostly sulfur and ozone and uh

4187
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:05,359
there's a historical conflation between

4188
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:06,960
these two i mean uh the greeks used to

4189
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:09,680
say that uh that lightning would strike

4190
02:34:13,190 --> 02:34:11,680
and release the smell of sulfur in the

4191
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:13,200
air well now we know that's not the case

4192
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:15,280
but this particular this particular

4193
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:17,120
conflation lasted all the way up until

4194
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,800
you know uh

4195
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:20,640
all the way up until relatively recently

4196
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:22,319
until like i believe the 19th century i

4197
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,520
mean you'll find benjamin franklin

4198
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:25,680
writing about the smell of sulfur after

4199
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:27,680
a lightning strike as well so the

4200
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:29,120
question is what are people smelling or

4201
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:32,399
people conflating the two um

4202
02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:33,920
so it's it's interesting you have to

4203
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:35,359
talk about that some

4204
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,640
um

4205
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:38,080
a lot of the cases that i said like i've

4206
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:40,000
like i said i've found have have sulfur

4207
02:34:45,030 --> 02:34:42,880
involved sulfur ozone ammonia is common

4208
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:45,040
but another common motif to all these

4209
02:34:48,630 --> 02:34:46,000
things

4210
02:34:50,550 --> 02:34:48,640
including ghosts is the smell of burning

4211
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:50,560
burning things this idea of combustion

4212
02:34:54,630 --> 02:34:52,560
is very important you know sasquatch

4213
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:54,640
some squash smell like burning hair

4214
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:56,319
um you know some ghosts smell like

4215
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:57,840
someone smoking

4216
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:59,040
so there's something there with that

4217
02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,800
combustion motif too and i think i might

4218
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,479
have not nailed it but i think i might

4219
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:04,880
have got a little bit of a a an idea of

4220
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:06,640
where that might might be leading oh

4221
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:10,160
nice yeah cigar smoke too tobacco is

4222
02:35:15,349 --> 02:35:12,800
often reported in or not often but in

4223
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:15,359
terms of reported smells during uh some

4224
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,560
sort of ghost

4225
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,640
so-called ghost encounter occasionally

4226
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:20,640
you'll have that um that description it

4227
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:22,720
smelled like someone smoking a cigar for

4228
02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:25,840
instance in the um we went in

4229
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:28,000
and looked into the um the studebanker

4230
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,760
mansion in um south bend uh indiana and

4231
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:33,200
uh one of the

4232
02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:36,080
most common reported aberrations if you

4233
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,840
will or something abnormal is the smell

4234
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,399
of cigar smoke when there is no cigars

4235
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:42,640
being lit or or smoked anywhere in the

4236
02:35:48,870 --> 02:35:45,920
in the mansion and most often this was

4237
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,880
reported in the main office where

4238
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:50,319
studebaker used to hang out and smoke

4239
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:51,680
cigars

4240
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:53,040
this would be really interesting i i'm

4241
02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:56,399
i'm really uh intrigued at uh how this

4242
02:36:00,870 --> 02:35:58,160
book is going to come out and

4243
02:36:02,550 --> 02:36:00,880
any sort of research that i happen upon

4244
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:02,560
in my work i'll go ahead and forward to

4245
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:05,520
you because i do have a number of very

4246
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:08,640
interesting descriptions of even unusual

4247
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:10,880
smells that can't be just

4248
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:12,720
i think that that's awesome you cut out

4249
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:13,760
for about

4250
02:36:17,750 --> 02:36:15,760
15 seconds there

4251
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:17,760
i did yeah yeah you said you the last

4252
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:19,439
thing you said was that you uh and thank

4253
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:21,520
you by the way

4254
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:23,280
that that you had uh some things you

4255
02:36:26,630 --> 02:36:24,880
would send me which would be awesome

4256
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:26,640
that's the last thing that we got yeah

4257
02:36:30,630 --> 02:36:28,640
um i'll um

4258
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,640
i'll go ahead and forward on um any of

4259
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:32,640
these reports that i um that i happen

4260
02:36:36,790 --> 02:36:34,479
upon and um and shoot them off in your

4261
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:36,800
direction my pleasure

4262
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,840
that would be that would be that would

4263
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:39,120
be really great i really appreciate that

4264
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:39,920
chris

4265
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:40,800
yep

4266
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:43,120
we are just about out of time joshua

4267
02:36:46,469 --> 02:36:44,800
cutchen can you tell our listeners where

4268
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:46,479
they can find more about the things you

4269
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:47,359
do

4270
02:36:50,670 --> 02:36:49,439
i have a blog that i'm trying to be

4271
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:50,680
better about

4272
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:51,760
joshuacutchin.com

4273
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:54,319
j-o-s-h-u-a-c-u-t-c-h-i-n

4274
02:36:58,870 --> 02:36:57,280
i just put up a new post yesterday about

4275
02:37:00,070 --> 02:36:58,880
about sasquatch and poltergeist

4276
02:37:01,830 --> 02:37:00,080
phenomena

4277
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:01,840
and uh you can find

4278
02:37:05,429 --> 02:37:04,240
links to my music there and links to my

4279
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:05,439
projects there and that's sort of the

4280
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:07,040
hub for me and a trojan feast is

4281
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:09,040
available on amazon and barnes noble if

4282
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:10,640
anyone is so inclined

4283
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:13,920
we will publish the link to your site so

4284
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:18,240
people can go there and harass you

4285
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:19,040
it

4286
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:20,720
they harassed us i figured we might as

4287
02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:23,120
well spread the joy seriously speaking

4288
02:37:26,630 --> 02:37:25,040
we have a second radio show we'd like

4289
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:26,640
you to check out it's called after the

4290
02:37:30,150 --> 02:37:28,160
power cast

4291
02:37:31,830 --> 02:37:30,160
and we get into all sorts of things

4292
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,840
there and last week as a matter of fact

4293
02:37:35,429 --> 02:37:33,760
it got pg-13

4294
02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:35,439
i won't explain why you have to listen

4295
02:37:39,469 --> 02:37:37,040
to it how do you do that you join the

4296
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:39,479
powercast plus at

4297
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:40,800
plus.thepowercast.com that's

4298
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:48,070
we charge a modest monthly annual five

4299
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:50,800
year or even a lifetime

4300
02:37:55,750 --> 02:37:53,760
but not rip van winkle price free

4301
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:55,760
e-books for long-term subscriptions plus

4302
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:57,840
drpowercast.com

4303
02:38:02,790 --> 02:38:00,880
and chris is working on our first video

4304
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:02,800
which we hope to see real soon now

4305
02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:03,760
really

4306
02:38:09,830 --> 02:38:07,200
a video channel on the power cast plus

4307
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:09,840
and we started even carrying

4308
02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:11,520
show transcripts there we're looking for

4309
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:13,920
some volunteers who want to listen to a

4310
02:38:16,469 --> 02:38:14,800
show

4311
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:16,479
and write it all down

4312
02:38:20,990 --> 02:38:18,399
and then go for a rest cure after you do

4313
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:21,000
it chris o'brien's site is

4314
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:23,600
ourstrangeplanet.com you can find us on

4315
02:38:29,349 --> 02:38:26,880
twitter as the powercast you can find us

4316
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:29,359
on facebook there are two paracast fan

4317
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:32,479
clubs there's a group there's a club and

4318
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,120
it gets very confusing on facebook

4319
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:37,280
we'll never figure it out but you can

4320
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:38,399
check them out

4321
02:38:42,690 --> 02:38:40,720
okay joshua thanks for joining us on the

4322
02:38:52,340 --> 02:38:42,700
powercast my

4323
02:38:52,350 --> 02:38:55,590
[Music]

4324
02:38:55,600 --> 02:38:56,870
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4325
02:39:02,469 --> 02:38:59,270
featuring gene steinberg and christopher

4326
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:02,479
o'brien is a copyrighted presentation of

4327
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:06,080
making the impossible incorporated